Our thoughts and prayers go out to Ray and Cynthia.
Thank you so much for the updates, coffee_black!
peace,
somebody/gwen and zev/harold
just setting the record straight.
there is another thread that notes a claim on wiki that said that ray has died.. he had a stroke yesterday, and is in the hospital.
he is still alive.
Our thoughts and prayers go out to Ray and Cynthia.
Thank you so much for the updates, coffee_black!
peace,
somebody/gwen and zev/harold
i've been out 15 yrs and never attended again.
anyone been out a long time and for whatever reason went to a meeting or convention?
what was it like to you then?
Hi Think About It,
I left in late 1979, and attended a two part ( two Thursday nights) meeting in 2002 to tape the instruction from the WTS to it's followers on how to treat Disfellowhipped and Da'd Relatives.
I didn't go to the same KH I had left, for it's now a church for a different religion. I went to a KH in North Attleboro MASS.
It felt really good to go to the kingdom hall dressed in jeans and a flannel shirt! :-)
It was absolutly sickening and one of the the "brothers" who stand in the doorway to greet you actually acted embarassed that we were there, as "potential converts", for a meeting discussing to never even speak a greeting to family members are df'd or da'd. Included was how to treat disfellowhipped CHILDREN.
When the meeting ended and we were trying to rush out the door, he told us that we should come back on a Sunday when they have the "good good talks"! Those were his exact words!
Other than that, the examples that were "acted out" on the stage were the SAME as they were in 1979. A "sister" was up on the stage as a JW at the door step of a householder and talked about inflation and how bad the world is "today" and went on to offer a Watchtower.
One little boy kept STARING at us, for we must have looked like aliens to him because we were wearing jeans, ( I attended with zev, BTW). His mom had to keep telling him to turn around and face the stage.
peace,
somebody/gwen
for those who haven't seen the video yet on youtube of ciro's ( a bethel speaker?
) sick talk given in, i believe, 2007, i provide the link:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwa9kx5wjtm.
Hi Thetrueone,
The talk is REAL, the video to go along with it was made to go WITH the talk. That was a real talk by Ciro A in 2007. His talks always seem to "spill his mental illness" but JWs attending his talks just don't see anything wrong with it!
Here is another talk by him back in 2001, so you can here his voice (no video though).
http://www.randytv.com/whatfutureholds.htm
I find BOTH talks very disturbing. Anyone can tell he is mentally ill. WHY the Watchtower allows him to share such sick garbage is beyond me. I can only imagine the nightmares people AND children have suffered from listening to such sick filth.
peace,
somebody/gwen
for those who haven't seen the video yet on youtube of ciro's ( a bethel speaker?
) sick talk given in, i believe, 2007, i provide the link:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwa9kx5wjtm.
Hi all!,
For those who haven't seen the video yet on youtube of Ciro's ( a Bethel speaker?) sick talk given in, I believe, 2007, I provide the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwA9KX5WJTM
Right at the end of the talk he says, :
"The Tribulation is almost upon us. It is not a time, friend, to think that because the society published a change in generation that Jehovah God, the great Theocrat, took his clock and moved it back, because some ants printed a Watchtower down there. Oh please, friends! We should not have been dealing with generation in the first place. It's none of our business. Did you ever see the apostles talk about generation? Didn't they have opportunity there? Not once did they mention generation, did they? Then we have no business doing it."
The latest change of the generation brings me to believe that the ants who print the Watchtower just don't get it!
peace,
somebody
anything at all???
?.
Yes! I got to see zev/harold 3 times a week!
And I can honestly say that is the ONLY thing I liked about being a JW.
I hated going to the meetings otherwise and I really hated having to wear nylons ( which made my legs and thighs itch to high hell) and those stupid wrap-around skirts!
peace,
gwen
i know, i know... some of ya'll are gettin' sick of this "generation" thing... .
but for whatever reason, i had not seen this actual quote from the dc talk (that or had not paid much attention to it until now).
seeing it in print really brought home how desparate they are to try to hang on to 1914 in whatever way they can.
Just the "two groups of anointed" gets me going!
How many "groups" and how many "separate and distinct classes"will there be among JWs in years to come? And how many times will JWs continue to say that have no class distictions in their "group" ? One JW I know claimed that JWs believe in the ONE HOPE spoken about in the Bible, and corrected herself only AFTER I showed that the WT does ,and has for YEARS, taught that there are TWO HOPES?
Now it seems that the WT may refer to "two groups" whenever they speak about the "faithful and discreet slave class".
I can hear it now. One will be the "modern day faithful and discreet slave class of our day"!
Happy you brought up the "generation" again!
peace,
somebody/gwen
don't try to lie about it.
you accept some of these people as an authority.
you listen to them.
Hi Terry,
I never knew that mind over matter was considered to be "supernatural nonsense" to anyone.
I ,personaly , am not a follower of any of the above mentioned people.
I'll have to search what mind over matter REALLY is. Maybe it's not what I thought it was.
Still learning something new everyday!
Thank you for your post!
peace,
somebody/gwen
wow, it has been an age since i've been on here!
for those of you who remember, i'm steph, dansk's daughter.. .
it's been 18 months since he passed away and for some reason i am feeling it more now than i did at the time of his death.
Here is info on the book, faundy.
http://www.amazon.com/Ghosts-Among-Us-Uncovering-Truth/dp/0061553395
May peace be with you and your family, and congrats on the new member of your family!
somebody/gwen
wow, it has been an age since i've been on here!
for those of you who remember, i'm steph, dansk's daughter.. .
it's been 18 months since he passed away and for some reason i am feeling it more now than i did at the time of his death.
Hi faundy!
I have been away from the board for too long ( about 6 years or so it seems) and I made a "HOWDY" post earlier today too. I only learned THIS MORNING about your dad, and I cried and cried that I wasn't here 18 months ago! I'm SO sorry for your loss. Right away, I started reading his "torn apart" post and I'm only on page 2 of it, so I wasn't even sure if his daughters ever got out of the Watchtower. I was PRAYING that you did before he passed on. And I pray that your sister is out too.
((((((((((faundy)))))) and hugs to your family too.
If I were you, I would buy the book titled Ghost Among Us. It is NOT a scary or morbid book. I found it to be of much comfort. You can search it on the net and read reviews if you wish before you buy or order it. It may be the comfort you need ! The auther is James Van Praagh.
I'm SO glad I popped in today to see your post and read it. For now I know who you are! Is that strange or what? !!!
Hi jourey-on,
I haven't posted reguarly since about I duuno....6 or 7 years maybe? I thought about the board last week ( because a certain person crossed my mind at the time) and this past Sunday I came to the board and actually read older posts ALL DAY LONG into the night. I had both tears and smiles reading posts.
So today I came back and decided that I may participate again. It's changed SO much though. It's busy busy busy! I registered her a few months after Simon left what we called witnet ( which was for JWs only, but anyone could read the posts) and opened his own discussion board. That was years ago!
It's amazing how many new ones are here, and how many are still here from years ago. I'm glad the board didn't close!
peace,
somebody/gwen