Posts by Teddnzo

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Teddnzo

485, is that near the point where he jacks it all in and heads back to the UK with his tail between his legs?

what if it gets under 450? Will he have to go and get a job? Oh wait he can’t because he still hasn’t bothered to learn the language

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if someone has faded so they are not known as a jw for a few years there is no need to be disfellowshiped or announced that they are no longer a jw.. so they wouldn’t need to be shunned the same way as if they did a hard exit like writing a letter or something.. so if evidence arose that such a faded person was sinning there still would be no need to announce that they were no longer a jw the same as if they were known as a jw.

family members and members of the congregation would not shun them?.

what would happen if such a faded person became apostate?

Teddnzo

A wise man said Here is my strategy to help faders or those who WANT to fade, but are afraid of any interrogations by JW's.

Maybe something here will be of use to you. It's served me & my wife very well for several years: If confronted with an accusation about anything, do not reply to it, but immediately ask for the names of your accusers. (plural) If only one name is provided (or none) simply reply that you do not wish to discuss someone's error with the elders - or anyone else - and that you will meet with your accuser alone, as Jesus instructed. (Matthew 18:15-17) In order to fade as painlessly & safely as possible from the Org, it is imperative to always keep in mind this trauma-saving rule when in the presence of any J.W.'s, but especially elders: "Divulge nothing". Giving personal information to any such ones will be like putting a rope around your own neck. Sadly, many J.W.'s don't/won't have the nerve/courage/know-how to refuse to discuss personal things when questioned by the "appointed shepherds," - but it's very easy! I once had the C.o.B.E. say to me threateningly, "Are you REFUSING to talk to us?" Never forget that the elders KNOW they can't compel you to talk with them, so they rely on your fear of their non-existent authority to comply with their interrogation. The following is by no means comprehensive, but it is simple, straightforward, and very effective if you are offered either a "shepherding call" or invited into the back room at the Kingdom Hall for a "chat". If the FORMER, simply say "thanks for your offer brothers, but not at the moment. I'll let you know when I feel ready." If the LATTER, let them reveal what's on their minds. (your lack of field service, meeting attendance, etc.) Now you're ready to say something along these lines: "Thank you for your concerns brothers, but I have private & personal issues which I can't discuss with anyone at the moment - except in prayer to Jehovah - but I certainly appreciate your motives and concern. It's good to know that if things change I can call you. Thank you for your concern". Elders' Conversation Stoppers: ELDERS: "We only want to come and give you encouragement." Simply repeat the response above, especially the phrase "private & personal." ELDERS: "But how can we help you if you won't talk to us?" Reply: "Everyone has private & personal situations which they can't discuss with others, and I'm sure that includes the elders - I'm no different!" ELDERS: "Are you REFUSING to talk with us?" Reply: "No, I just don't want to discuss things right now. I'll call you if things change." If they try to push with their interrogation, just say "thanks" and walk away immediately! Do not prolong their interrogation. They can't punish you for ending a conversation. Repeat any/all of the above to anyone - and I mean ANYONE - because the elders will likely get someone you trust, to get you to talk. If you rehearse & practice your responses, you will be so much more confident and ready to fend off any attempts to ambush you. Always display a meek but firm disposition. Never act confrontational with the wolves, because the alpha-male in the pack will incite the others to attack you!

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Could this be the end of JWs? What are the consequences if it is?

by Teddnzo in

multiple very serious allegations against tony and then huge efforts to remove him from all pictures and videos, have to admit it doesn’t look good.. once the pennsylvania investigation becomes public knowledge and front page news it will be very very hard for 8 million pimis.. is it possible that this could be the largest problem the branch has ever faced?

larger than 1975, the overlapping generations or any other ‘test of faith’.

many will feel heartbroken and betrayed.

Teddnzo

The area where I grew up had almost all young ones leave the JWs, all congregations in surrounding area.

Similar story to where my wife grew up her generation about 90% of the children left. Now all middle age.

So if you count how many people were once a JW and now left, or parents were and never joined once old enough I expect it’s more than 2 million.

Now what if you count all the PIMO or at least PIMQ?

My guess is there are probably 4-6 million fully indoctrinated PIMI and about the same number that fit into one of these categories- PIMQ, PIMO or POMO.

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Could this be the end of JWs? What are the consequences if it is?

by Teddnzo in

multiple very serious allegations against tony and then huge efforts to remove him from all pictures and videos, have to admit it doesn’t look good.. once the pennsylvania investigation becomes public knowledge and front page news it will be very very hard for 8 million pimis.. is it possible that this could be the largest problem the branch has ever faced?

larger than 1975, the overlapping generations or any other ‘test of faith’.

many will feel heartbroken and betrayed.

Teddnzo

Multiple very serious allegations against Tony and then huge efforts to remove him from all pictures and videos, have to admit it doesn’t look good.

Once the Pennsylvania investigation becomes public knowledge and front page news it will be very very hard for 8 million PIMIs.

Is it possible that this could be the largest problem the branch has ever faced? Larger than 1975, the overlapping generations or any other ‘test of faith’

Many will feel heartbroken and betrayed. These men that they absolutely believed to be Gods only spokesmen on earth turned out to be at least involved with child sexual abuse cover ups, and in the case of governing body members Greenlees, Chitty and now possibly Tony Morris were part of it.

Of the 8 million brothers and sisters around the world how many could mentally cope with the feeling of betrayal?

the waking up to the fact that these men are not who they claim to be! At least three of them maybe four if Jarez was guilty of what he was accused of were pedophiles.

As an act of kindness and in all humanity those of us who have already woken up need to be there for those who did not wake up and now may seriously struggle to mentally cope with this realisation.

I want to be there for those kind souls in my congregation I have known for a long time who are such good people.

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Faded then apostate?

by Teddnzo in

if someone has faded so they are not known as a jw for a few years there is no need to be disfellowshiped or announced that they are no longer a jw.. so they wouldn’t need to be shunned the same way as if they did a hard exit like writing a letter or something.. so if evidence arose that such a faded person was sinning there still would be no need to announce that they were no longer a jw the same as if they were known as a jw.

family members and members of the congregation would not shun them?.

what would happen if such a faded person became apostate?

Teddnzo

My wife comes from a large family multi generational JWs. For years any weddings or funerals far more of the latter in the family of recent years, there have been two groups. The ex JWs or those never been in, and the ones still currently in.

we always sat in the group still in, but I guess next time we will sit in the group who are out. I don’t know any of them but it will be interesting to see if those still in will talk to us.

last meetings we went to we’re just before covid even though my wife sometimes joined zoom without a camera early on we have not been back at all since then.

We sometimes get calls from members of the cong but nobody has asked us the obvious questions yet.

I will not answer any questions and I will not let any elders try to interrupt of fade.

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Tony Morris replaced - by ANOTHER teleprompter reader!

by BoogerMan in

the whitewashing of tm111 from jw history continues - tending to confirm that he was booted.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ghbhv6961a.

i'm pretty sure the cult got him to sign a nice nda - in exchange for a lifetime residency in the house bought by wt..

Teddnzo

Let’s review the facts:-

There have been very serious accusations made against him by more than one individual. Saying he should not be allowed near children.

They are going to huge efforts to remove him from every picture and video.

They bought two homes near each other and he is living in one of them until he dies. What the other is for is unknown.

these are all facts.

what is not known yet but good questions to ask are:-

is he involved with the Pensilvania investigation and if so is he being set up as the fall guy, maybe the evil slave that was prophesied to arise in the time of the end?

is he still anointed claiming to be an angel that will slaughter 8 Billion men women and children very very soon. Yes he did claim this and with joy he was looking forward to it. Does he still claim this along with the remaining members of the governing body?

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Faded then apostate?

by Teddnzo in

if someone has faded so they are not known as a jw for a few years there is no need to be disfellowshiped or announced that they are no longer a jw.. so they wouldn’t need to be shunned the same way as if they did a hard exit like writing a letter or something.. so if evidence arose that such a faded person was sinning there still would be no need to announce that they were no longer a jw the same as if they were known as a jw.

family members and members of the congregation would not shun them?.

what would happen if such a faded person became apostate?

Teddnzo

Thanks Phizzy

My wife and I have faded there is no doubt about it now. We are not being shunned and as far as old friends in the congregation think of us as just inactive publishers.

dreading the time elders have to do the rounds on all the inactive ones on their lists because I Will refuse to talk to them

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Faded then apostate?

by Teddnzo in

if someone has faded so they are not known as a jw for a few years there is no need to be disfellowshiped or announced that they are no longer a jw.. so they wouldn’t need to be shunned the same way as if they did a hard exit like writing a letter or something.. so if evidence arose that such a faded person was sinning there still would be no need to announce that they were no longer a jw the same as if they were known as a jw.

family members and members of the congregation would not shun them?.

what would happen if such a faded person became apostate?

Teddnzo

If someone has faded so they are not known as a JW for a few years there is no need to be disfellowshiped or announced that they are no longer a JW.

so they wouldn’t need to be shunned the same way as if they did a hard exit like writing a letter or something.

so if evidence arose that such a faded person was sinning there still would be no need to announce that they were no longer a JW the same as if they were known as a JW. Family members and members of the congregation would not shun them?

what would happen if such a faded person became apostate? Would this change anything? Even years later after not being I known as a JW would this change things so that there would be an announcement and then they would actually be shunned?

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Greenlees, Chapman and Chitty

by Libby in

so after being rudely awakened by a cat fight outside (it's 3am here in the uk) and then proceeding to go outside to rescue my cats from the neighbourhood tom....... i'm now laying wide awake trying to make sense of jw "truth".

(it's all my mind does these days, the lights gone on and won't turn off).

anyway i found myself reading about the gb and came across these fellows , greenlees, chapman and chitty.

Teddnzo

Was Chapman involved in some kind sexual deviance as the other two were?

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Is Tony Morris a Nonce / Pedophile

by MebyonKernow in

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this has just been posted on youtube regarding tony morris and the reason why he was removed as a gb member and 'relocated'.is tony morris a pedophile / nonce?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahj9vxygkelet me know your thoughts down below.celtic.

Teddnzo

Ewart Chitty - born c. 1898, died about 1993, must have lived into his mid-nineties. He was moved back to London Mill Hill congregation. Some older ones who are still in Mill Hill from that time still remember him today. Apparently he still took the emblems right upto his death in 1993 as there were quite a few taking them in the Bethel infirmary in the 1990s they all went to Mill Hill congregation.

As a popular song has it - Only the Good Die Young !

The big question is now that Tony has had a couple of houses bought for him, will he live out his days as a brother in a congregation like Chitty did? If so he would have to still take the emblems as that’s the policy once anointed you can’t go back to being other sheep.

But these accusations are extremely serious far more so than Chitty, Greenlees or Jarez accusations. This time the word torture was used in accusations against Tony Morris 3rd. Also the accusation was made that he should not be allowed near children.