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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Would anyone hazard a guess at what his entire income is? And how much of that does he need to live in Croatia ?

  If his patrons numbers drop to a certain number will he have to go get a job?
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  JWLITE

  by Teddnzo in

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  even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.

  they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.

  i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..

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  Polls peg JWs at 14-16M members (extrapolating what people put down as their religious affiliation across large groups of people) but the number of “active” publishers has officially hovered about 7M for quite some time. That means that for every active dub, there is someone that is no longer participating but still considers themselves “in”. Not sure what those ratios are across other churches but for a high control cult this is rather outside the norm.
  

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  It’s nearer 9 million publishers worldwide, but as you say about 7 million active publishers. Maybe this non reporting new light will mean the inactive publishers can’t be so easily distinguished

  Memorial attendance is well over 20 million but that includes unbelieving spouses and interested ones.

  Yes I would guess those polls saying 14-16 million JWs globally are about right if you include hangers on.

  Maybe about 5 million fully PIMO these are the Elders families and pioneers etc.

  Then another 5 million go with the flow because they have family still in, and they like the association. My wife and I are in this camp and maybe this is what is being called JWLITE on Reddit. We can be called PIMQ or PIMA.

  Then maybe another 5 million full job PIMO. They are only going to memorial in person and the rest of the time on zoom.
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  New meeting format

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  just watched november broadcast very different order to the leaked agm .

  be good if someone did a deep dive on the difference and why the changes?

  i didn’t time the items but it should be easy to see if edited?.

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  It’s shame because the old midweek meeting was east but this new format takes a lot more effort

  it’s confusing

  has anyone else tried to go through the notes?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  So could someone really take someone else to court if they said something not nice about someone else? Yes this is as ridiculous as it sounds.

  Lets take the hypothetical situation that Lloyd never actually visited sex workers regularly and never admitted to that, then someone accused them of this very thing.

  Could there actually be a court case where there is a trail to see if the accusations are true? If the person never saw sex workers what is the actual crime? Defamation? Then what?

  this is playground stuff
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  JWLITE

  by Teddnzo in

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  even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.

  they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.

  i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..

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  Yes JWLITE is quiet quitting. You can now make your own rules. Think for yourself. Tell yourself the story you choose to believe.

  You could fade away but keep friends that you want to keep and if like me and my wife you still choose to go to associate occasionally then that’s all part of JWLITE.

  Its the best of both worlds being in and being out
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  JWLITE

  by Teddnzo in

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  even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.

  they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.

  i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..

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  Tonus, yes Pascal’s wager is just a good philosophical thing to think about deeply. Then use it or adjust it to suit you.

  It makes me think about taking it further. I can’t say for absolutely certain that the origin of the universe was not from intelligent design. So I will love my life as if that intelligent design had something to do with the Bible. Even if not to live by the Bible is very beneficial in my opinion.

  I love this new JWLITE idea that is being talked about everywhere since the AGM. I don’t know know who came up with it originally but I love it, and just like Pascal’s wager the JWLITE wager is something to think deeply about. Then use it or adjust it to suit you.
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  JWLITE

  by Teddnzo in

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  even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.

  they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.

  i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..

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  Here is one option of a belief system that suits me. This is a JWLITE version of Pascal’s wager.

  Stay physically in the JWs to the extent of going to meetings and assembly’s/conventions when it suits, maybe give answers/items occasionally but not putting too much effort into them. Half the time on zoom in your slippers and PJs with a nice cuppa.

  Going in ministry groups mainly zoom only for the social aspect, really it’s just a social meet up and good old gossip never really written letters and everyone knows this. Only very occasionally in person ministry groups at the hall or someone’s home, but never going on door to door work. Just say you are going to do ‘calls’ or street/park witnessing but never actually do any of that. Then meet up for coffee breaks. Make the most of all gatherings and be very zealous at visiting members of the congregation.

  This is the best part being in a close knit community. Really great folks who you can trust to always be there for you in times of need. Everyone in JWs are so kind and generous and always have the best gatherings and hospitality.

  Make it look like you are at the heart of the congregation and be very involved with everyone as this is the only good part of staying physically in.

  Mentally live as pascals wager but a JWLITE version according to the latest AGM. Live how you want as it really doesn’t matter according to the latest AGM. If the JWs turn out to be right you can repent last min.

  The advantage to this approach is the placebo affect compared to being an atheist. With at least a tiny amount of faith Jesus said the size of a mustard seed you could move a mountain.

  So keeping one foot in and one foot out the get the best of both worlds.

  When you analyse someone with faith in God particularly the JWs they do have this placebo affect where they don’t worry so much and can cope with illness even short life expectancy diagnosis.

  Yes I can have this placebo affect even though it may not be true I can hope that it is.
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  Who is the who of WHO we ARE? And when we die......where does the "who" go?

  by Terry in

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  if and when you deposit the check from me in your own bank--what happens to my actual personal wealth?.

  2.what happens to my ability to use my entire personal wealth?

  so, how do we answer the question of what happens to you when you die?.

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  Teddnzo

  Here is one option of a belief system that suits me. This is a JWLITE version of Pascal’s wager.

  Stay physically in the JWs to the extent of going to meetings and assembly’s/conventions when it suits, maybe give items occasionally but not putting too much effort into them. Half the time on zoom in your slippers and PJs with a nice cuppa.

  Going in ministry groups mainly zoom only for the social aspect and very occasionally in person at the hall or someone’s home, but never going on door to door work. Just say you are going to do ‘calls’ or street park witnessing but never actually do any of that. Then meet up for coffee breaks. Make the most of all gatherings and be very zealous at visiting members of the congregation.

  Make it look like you are at the heart of the congregation and be very involved with everyone as this is the only good part of staying physically in.

  Mentally live as pascals wager but a JWLITE version according to the latest AGM. Live how you want as it really doesn’t matter according to the latest AGM. If the JWs turn out to be right you can repent last min.

  The advantage to this approach is the placebo affect compared to being an atheist. With at least a tiny amount of faith Jesus said the size of a mustard seed you could move a mountain.

  So keeping one foot in and one foot out the get the best of both worlds.

  When you analyse someone with faith in God particularly the JWs they do have this placebo affect where they don’t worry so much and can cope with illness even short life expectancy diagnosis.

  Yes I can have this placebo affect even though it may not be true I can hope that it is.
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  JWLITE

  by Teddnzo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.

  they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.

  i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..

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  Yes it all comes down to interpretation. All this new light we keep get is just changing interpretations of this ancient book that the truth is we don’t really understand.

  I just watched this entire video which I thought was brilliant and any who have been JWs for a long time will relate. https://youtu.be/5wjy8ETRvho?feature=shared

  It seems the new JW light at every AGM is slowly becoming JWLITE anyway if you see what I mean. JWs are becoming dumber or another way to say it is they don’t seek to think about the interpretation of scripture at all, they just go along with what the GB say even if it makes No sense!

  An interesting observation in this video that this is the first time the GB have used the term new light as it was only the ex JWs who used that term

  https://youtu.be/n3aRAy4z63A?feature=shared
  
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  2023-Novermber-Files!

  by Atlantis in

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  2023-november files.. 2023 shepherd the flock of god--elder manual in english.

  2023-november announcements and reminders.download..https://www.filemail.com/d/thynixcxksaypqy orhttps://we.tl/t-lciljrizhsgrandpa!

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  Inserted a new point directing that it is the responsibility of the body of elders to decide if a funeral for a publisher who committed suicide may be held at the Kingdom Hall.
  

  Wow.

  I remember a middle aged sister who killed herself and her funeral was at the hall. She left a couple of kids. The spoke of the resurrection hope