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  A Heartfelt response to my book

  by morrisamb in

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  2. child-abuse

  hi donald

  i just finished reading your book a few minutes ago.

  i feel a special interest mostly because of the same religious background and the way you describe the elders etc.

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  Swan

  I ordered my copy and can't wait for it to get here. It sounds like it will be a very emotional read though, so I will keep a box of tissues handy.

  Tammy
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  Shame On All of You

  by DakotaRed in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  all week long, much has been done here that could rip silentlambs apart.

  pat garza has faced ridicule and scorn, bill bowen is now also being drug about by his short hairs over his letters by all you arm chair attorney's who haven't contributed an iota of what he has or placed yourselves anywhere near harm's way as he has.

  all i can say is i'm damned ashamed of all of you and i'm through with this shit!!!!!.

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  Lew,

  Unfortunately when an accusation of child abuse comes out, most people look at the accuser/victim as if they are crazy or lying for some hidden reason. The denial of those around the perpetrator is very strong. It can be even stronger among the general public. It makes prosecution of these cases a very hard thing to do. People just don't understand the psychology around the abuse. The Menendez brothers is a classic example. While I don't agree with killing their parents, I do believe that the abuse that they suffered explained and mitigated their crime. Unfortunately the court did not look at that and neither did the general public. The lack of compassion for these victims is very sad.

  I don't believe that is totally the case here. I think that some posts have been rather cruel, but others are just concerned. I think there have been some supportive posts too. I would hope that with discusing this though, that each and every person on this board search their thoughts and feelings on this matter to make sure that their motivations are clear and unbiased.

  Tammy
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  Stumping bible questions for JW's

  by Dawn in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have a friend who is studying with the jw's right now.

  he's a very open minded guy and has been interested in hearing what i have to say on the matter.

  he has seen the dateline show (i taped it for him) - and i've shown him some info about the history.

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  Swan

  It is amazing to me that a day in the library can produce abundant support to the historical date of the fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians as being approximately 20 years after 607 B.C.E. Most historians place it at 587 (or possibly 586) B.C.E. The only references I could find to 607 B.C.E. were in an Internet search and only to JW related sites. So how did Russell come up with 1914 and not 1934? Why do JWs put such faith in 1914 to this day?

  I feel so foolish that out of all of that time I spent in the library researching computer science, never once did I bother to check on the Fall of Jerusalem. I just took it on BLIND faith. I could just kick myself!

  Tammy
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  JW Code and Silent Lambs

  by Goodboy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been busy for the past few weeks and finally got around to reading the thread containing bill bowen's latest letter to the governing body.

  apparently the gb just locked the gates and ignored them.

  correct me if i'm wrong, i haven't dug through all the posts... .

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  Dear Goodboy,

  I like your code. It is very much like the Geek code in some respects, but much easier and simpler. It will take some getting used to.

  I would suggest adding Eric's M for marked. There may be a few other cracks, but I think you have most of it put together pretty well.

  I am concerned that we might start misusing these codes as labels, though, which is a very human trait, but one that seems to always get us in trouble. Those FXB's are always doing this. You can never trust an FXB. You see how easy it is. (No offense to FXB's; I was just popped you out of the air to make my point.) We should resolve not to do this.

  Also it is never a clear delineation . My alcoholic grandparents were Fs (Found) when my mother was age 7 and she took to the religion right off and much stronger than her parents as an escape. So was she an R or an F?

  I am an RXU, but on the U strong agnostic leanings, which would make me borderline N. I might become an N someday if presented with strong evidence. So Yes! I agree that it can be changed.

  My husband is a *AB. He was never a JW. Is the * being correctly used here?

  How would you class someone like Christain Longo? He is an X but still believed in the JWs to the point of murdering his family to send them to a better place. Perhaps he was an RXC Raised X-JW but still believes in the Cult?

  Having done that, and speaking as a RXU, I can say that there are many people I love who are still *CB's. They are beyond my reach, yet I love the memory of the person who was inside them. Understand; this is the only reason I am even here on this message board. I am quite happy to walk away from the Watchtower forever.

  I feel the same way. This is one of the most tragic of situations, IMO.

  You aren't Bill Bowen and you aren't sitting at the gameboard. Remain silent until the game is done. Moves, which make no sense, become "Brilliant" if the game is won. I don't know how good Bill Bowen is at chess, but I know brilliant moves when I see them. Here's hoping he (or the next guy/gal) brings the 'tower crashing to the ground because I'll be the first one sifting through the wreckage for the people I loved and still love.

  That is such a good point. I think Bill Bowen is very good at playing the game by their own silly and illogical rules and within the limited resources available to him. In doing that, he exposes to the world how ridiculous the rules are. I think he doesn't stand a chance of getting them to meet with him, but I do think they have taken notice. And put on notice, they can't say they never knew. Bill and the abused lambs may be the little shepherd boy who brings down the giant. (Just because I am a U doesn't mean I don't appreciate the archetypes in the Bible stories. )

  This was a great post. I hope your code catches on.

  Tammy

  P.S. Your codes just gave my spell checker fits!
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  Cards For Queenie!

  by Dutchie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for those of you who asked for an address to send queenie a get well card, her daughter gave me the following: .

  linda lou kersey .

  box 1924 .

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  Swan

  Thank you Dutchie! I just made out my card. I'll post it in the morning!

  Tammy
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  I was a JW child

  by CBeMe in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my mother started studing with the jw's when i was 2 years old.

  she became more involved with the organization over the next few years.

  i was very young so i don't remember much about my early years in the jw's.

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  Swan

  Your post was very good CBeMe and it is very much like many others here went through. I am glad that you are gaetting control of your life and finally starting to heal. I hope you find what you need here.

  Welcome CBeMe!
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  Are you a cat or dog person? (fluff)

  by In_between_days in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok, im bored - really bored.

  this is my favorate breed of dog................ whats yours?.

  also, are you a cat or a dog person?

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  Swan

  This is a really really hard question to answer. I've grew up with both and I like both cats and dogs. We don't have a cat because I am allergic to some cats. My husband had a cat when I first met him. I loved that cat, but then she died of old age. I had no problems with allergies with her. My best friend had a cat that made my eyes itch and tear every time. So I tend to stick with dogs, but I will always visit with a cat for as long as my eyes can take it!

  We have a poodle now. She is the baby we never had. Here is her website showing how spoiled she is:

  http://home.att.net/~tammy.fisher/

  Tammy

  PS: Here is her pic, if I can get this to work. I think it's working. Let me know if you see an X though.

  Edited by - Swan on 6 October 2002 16:16:35
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  Frodo

  by frodobobj in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone remember frodo that used to be on this or another area about 3 years ago?

  he passed away but i am picking up the baton from him and would like to find people he used to converse and debate with.

  thanks

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  Welcome Frodo!
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  I am kind of sad right now!

  by KKLUV155 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is my dog meenu(pronounced me-new).

  a couple of days ago i noticed her eyes were starting to swell so i took her to the vet yesterday.

  they told me that she has glaucoma in both eyes.

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  Dear kkluv,

  Your pup looks a lot like mine. I know how I would feel if anything bad happened to her. She is our baby. It would be devastating. I'm just so glad that the drops seem to be working. I hope they continue to work and your baby will be back to normal in no time. Your vet sounds like a real gem.

  Tammy
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  Hooray, My wife is getting out!

  by JG in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's semi-official, my wife is serious about leaving the witnesses.

  things are moving so fast and i had to repost the following.

  it fell to page six over night and i was hoping someone had ideas on how she can get out of her study without probs.. repost from last night:.

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  JG,

  I sure can sympathize with you and your wife. You want to be happy that she's taking back her control, but on the other hand it will be painful for her to be cut off from her family members. It's a mixed blessing sometimes. I know that personally I am far better off out of their cult, but I really miss my family. It's been almost 9 years. So I can really feel for what you two are going through.

  Tammy