Posts by spinner

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Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical

by MrMoe in

jesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?

based upon what?

jehovah's rules?

spinner

Jesus said, "We do not live on bread alone, but on every word proceeding

from the mouth of God" Matt 4:4

WHAT DOES GOD SAY ABOUT ALL THIS CONFUSION?

He would say," I very lovingly made the arrangement that if my people

sinned, they would have to give something up, like their best ram.

This was like taking a toy away when the child was naughty,

and letting them know they could have it back if they behaved.

but they never figured it out

Romans 5:13 says,"...sin is not charged against anyone when there is no

law" So, as I had great love for man, I substituted my Son for the animals.

This is only until people of the nations learn to keep the laws naturally

(Romans 2:12-17). This would happen only when man understood

the Laws were of benefit. Then, I will do away with the sacrifice of

my Son (Daniel 12:11) and the laws put back in place-- enforceable--

Judgment will commence (... by law is the accurate knowledge of what

sin is-Romans 3:20)

Some of you want to judge God? Are you aware some ancient people

ate their parents when they started getting old, and roasted their children

in fire?

spinner "the answers do exist"

Edited by - spinner on 9 December 2002 14:3:4

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Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God

by SwedishChef in

by jonathan edwards.

deuteronomy 32:35.

"their foot shall slide in due time.".

spinner

Hi there! You say that Deuteronomy 32:35 is referring to the

Israelites.You are right, but, in the stream of time.

They have become like infected tonsils, they have joined

the other side--and by their actions, made themselves

God's enemies.

This is a future prophecy, and you know this by the next verse,

 " For Jehovah will feel regret over His servants,........

 there is only a helpless one and an abandoned one."

 Only TWO PEOPLE in God's favor!

 Have you seen this yet?

a future prophecy!!

spinner

ps: I think you need to study your Bible you sound really lost!

Edited by - spinner on 9 December 2002 12:41:16

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Who is Jesus Christ?

by UnDisfellowshipped in

who do you believe jesus christ is?.

i will post my beliefs on this thread soon.. this is probably the most important question there is to ask anyone.. mark 8:27: and jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of caesarea philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying to them, who do men say that i am?

spinner

Hi, I think several of you have misquoted the original Greek. The Greek

dictionary author Spiro Zodhiates says the prophet in Deuteronomy

chapter 18 was "prophetess" female gender.

If you look in your old Diaglott you will see Acts 7:37, the Greek says

"propheten" (prophetou is male) This translates, "This is that Moses,

who said to the sons of Israel, 'A Prophetess will God raise up for you

from among your brethren, like me'. This is a female prophet!!!

If you read the original Greek, you will see this 'prophet' is also female

gender in other places. For example: Matthew 24:24 false anointed

ones (oi ending- male pl.)and false prophetesses (ai ending-female pl)

Who is the woman in Gen 3:15? Revelation 12, Isaiah 54, 60, etc?

This woman is the Parousia:

Zodiates, The Complete Wordstudy Dictionary**:

Para # 3844 near, or near by Ousia #3776 being, essence, substance,

FEMALE GENDER

Rightfully Translated, Matthew 24:27 should say:

" As when the lightning comes out from the east, and shines to

the west, so shall be also the female person belonging to the

Son of Man."

The root ousa (nf) is used in the male ending in Matthew 6:11: Greek

translates:

"The bread (arton- male noun) of us the substance upon

( epi ousion- male ending) give to us today''.

CONCLUSION: As this noun can end in either male or female endings,

THE AUTHOR chose the female ending for a reason, the person,

The Parousia is Female, the Prophetess,

who belongs to Jesus, God's Son, our Savior and King

**AMG International, Inc.-- Publishers 1993

Much Christian Love Spinner

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was Jesus a woman?

by spinner in

parousia: translated in the new world translation as the "presence" of jesus.

zodhiates greek wordstudy dictionary states: .

#3844-- para: alongside, nearby, expressing the notion of immediate vicinity .

spinner

Parousia: translated in the New World Translation as the "presence" of Jesus.

Zodhiates Greek Wordstudy Dictionary states:

#3844-- Para: alongside, nearby, expressing the notion of immediate vicinity

#3776--Ousia: fem. noun from ousa (nf) being, entity, essence, substance-female ending

This root word is a male/female gender noun as Matthew 5:11 epi ousion

( substance upon) is modifying arton, "bread" (masc. noun, with

a masc. ending) #1909 epi: to, on upon

Conclusion: Either Jesus was a female, or this is translated wrong,

and it means the "woman alongside, who belongs to Jesus"

spin

Edited by - spinner on 3 December 2002 21:13:38

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Snoopin' Elders! Has this happened to you?

by Alligator Wisdom in

have any of you known or heard of elders snooping and rummaging thru yours or anyone else's personal belongings?

perhaps to find "evidence"?

well.....this just happened to me!

spinner

Dear "Al"

I think you are all in for a big shock. You just figured out who BIG BROTHER IS!! In November 1997, I had been deep in research, and called to share some findings with a long- time- pioneer girlfriend, whom I had not talked with since about 1995. She knew I had been disfellowshipped after 36 years, for saying "so you say" to an elder on the phone, so was not feeling her relationship with Jehovah would be damaged for the discussion. It was about translation errors in the New World Tran. from Greek.

After the next meeting, she called me on the phone and said, "I don't know how they found out,...I've never seen them so angry...the elders said that if I ever talked to you on the phone again I will be immediately disfellowshipped!!

At the time this statement went completely over both our heads! I now know they were saying they had been and would continue to listen on one of our phones. And as both of us were alone, and had private lines, I now know it was a phone tap. This illegality has been confirmed by several sources. I cannot stop it. These people do not want my research to become known....remember...

"All the ducks must be in a row"

See www.hurryupjesus.com and the topic under scandal, "Is this the man of lawlessness? "

Is this the Man of Lawlessness?

by spinner in

2 thessalonians 2: 4- the man of lawlessness "sits down in the temple of the god" .

if you believe jehovah is the god, then this lawless person is in jehovah's organization.

i think if you read the site .

spinner

2 Thessalonians 2: 4- the Man of Lawlessness "sits down in the temple of THE GOD"

If you believe JEHOVAH is THE GOD, then this lawless person is in Jehovah's Organization. I think if you read the site

www.hurryupjesus.com, you will see someone is playing God, by trying to withhold accurate knowledge from people all

around the world. The person who is behind the persecution of this family is or was the chief of staff of the Infirmary in

WallKill New York--- a JW. He is pretending to be a religious person, but in actuality, only a person who wants power.

What do you think?

Spinner

Edited by - spinner on 30 November 2002 17:1:22

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Lessons at the Grocery Store

by stephenw20 in

a peaceful day outside ,its a bit hot, after all its phoenix arizona.

a day two parents take their baby boy food shopping.

how very common, its done every day.

spinner

Dear Stephenw20, I hear great sadness in your voice. I know you love your parents,and wish things were different. The problem is not your parents, but this LIFE we have which includes growing old. And old equals ill health and that causes short tempers, anger, slow thinking, unhappiness........When your parents were young, they were completely different people. ...... They were in good health, had clear thinking, ambitious, happy, and very in love.

One big reason we all were so attracted to the JW ORG., was the picture they painted of the time when we all would be young again, and regain the abilities we used to have. Just because we no longer believe in their doctrines, doesn't mean that we give up on the Bible based teachings of God's Kingdom correcting all the horrors around us. We need to continue to pray that soon all will be restored. And everytime you go out of your way to be very caring to ANY old person, remember that if this system does not change, your kindness might be repaid to you when you are old.

I really appreciate you relating your story. Sharing is a great way to help yourself, and others. Gloria

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Would you believe me if I told you?

by spinner in

i grew up with parents who hated jw's.

my grandmother was a secret.

witness,no one ever knew.

spinner

California Sunshine, and Francoise, I titled this "Would you believe me if I told you?" for a reason-----I know few people happily understand the depths, nor the sadistic power of Satan. The Bible in the book of Ezekiel says the judgement will start with the house of God, not with all people, concurrently. I have a feeling if this was the beginning of armageddon, most would not see, being asleep. You both talk as though you are full of wisdom, and Bible knowledge. Just tell me, why would my life not be true? How does Satan work? Have you never read the book of Job? Ofcourse, you might say it was a fairy tale. Do you really understand how Armageddon will start? Maybe it's time you thought about it. You see, perhaps, when this is over for me, it will be your turn. Gloria

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Come to Montana!!

by spinner in

jw
friends

i put my story in the personal experiences, would you believe me if i told you?

i have asked the fbi to investigate the agent who came here from new york and told the town of kalispell that if they destroyed my family, they could l have all our assets(we have alot of crooks).

i have gotten no response.

spinner

I put my story in the personal experiences, Would you believe me if I told you? I have asked the FBI to investigate the agent who came here from New York and told the town of Kalispell that if they destroyed my family, they could l have all our assets(we have alot of crooks). I have gotten no response. I received a phonecall from my husband tonight (tuesday-17th), and he's loosing his mind. He is receiving very strong psychotropic drugs(so he won't run away). It won't be long until they've killed him. The only thing, is some question the story I wrote. How can I prove everything I say? How can I prove it is the WTO that is behind this? Please tell me, so those who can come and help will. I know that if a few hundred of you came here and camped in my field, it would be enough to make them think there was going to be a mob action. It might be enough to scare them into letting him go. Please tell me your opinion. My address in 580 LaBrant Rd Kalispell, Montana. I am close to Glacier Park, and have 18 acres here, and you can do alot of hiking, and fishing. The target date is to be here on or before the 31st of July. If you can come, JUST COME!!!Gloria

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Accuracy of Bible Translation

by ruffian in

jw
friends

i am trying to find out more on the translators of the jw's bible.

they claim and so it claims in the front of their bible that it was translated by experts in greek and hebrew.

what training if any did these people actually have in these ancient languages.

spinner

My dear ruffian,
Your are wise to question the NWT of the Holy Bible, and any other trans. as well. There are mistakes, whether intentional, or not, it does not matter. But there are some errors that support the JW doctrine,that is hard to find in other trans. Look up Rev. 22:14,
JW's believe you no longer have to "keep" the laws. So in their rendition it says," Those who wash their robes in the blood of Christ have the right to the tree of life." The oldest known MMS say," Blessed are those who keep the commandments of God, so that the authority to go to the trees of life may be theirs."You can see this
reflected in the Diaglott.You will see two different translations
shown.

They must not want anyone to know the tree of life is an actual tree. They claim the Hebrew scriptures in the NWT come from the Septuagint. But in the Septuagint, it says in Isaiah 65:22," My people will live as long as the tree of life lives. ' In the NWT, it says,"for like the days of a tree will the days of my people be." The tree of life is being hidden.Why?

The word "Parousia" is a big point that JW's think they understand. They translate it in the NWT as presence ot Jesus. But all real Greek scholars know there are word endings in fem. male, and neutral, for singular, and plural,in all parts of speech. You don't have a word meaning presence of Jesus in the feminine gendar for the "son" of God. If you can get a Greek interlinear, The Complete
Word Study Dictionary by Spiros Zodhiates AMG Pub. 1993, # 3776 says ousia, fem noun from ousa (nf) meaning being, essence, substance. Compare Matthew 6:11 epiousion---epi means an intensive, and ousion, a masc. gendar ending for bread, arton (masc word). This means the substance of the bread. Because this noun can be masc. or fem. then the gender choice of the Bible writer clearly shows the substance spoken by the word parousia as being feminine. If you look, there is a woman from Genesis to Revelation. The GB are all men. No wonder they ignore this Woman of Jesus. There are numerous words that mean presence, masc. gender,like, enopion, and prosopon. So the word parousia means, alongside, HER substance. Keep searching, you will continue to learn the real truth. Gloria