hello.. I always like to come back here and see those who are still in (but faking it, like me), those who are about to be out, and angry, those who are out and angry, and those who are out but sanguine (sp?)) anyway.. despite all the undoubted and unargauble arguments about the WBTS I just think its funny when y'all talk about the watchtower people being in it for the money...honestly, the bethel people, the elders (I know quite a few in the US and UK bethels), honestly, have you seen, their houses (if they have them), or their cars, or their suits, or their watches, or their shoes?) even the branch people and the GB, honestly, these guys are not in it for the money, for the security maybe, a distasteful realisation many years ago that they have chosen the wrong path, that maybe they should have gone to university after all, but are stuck working as postmen (or overseers of packaging depts).. they are so not in it for the money, just personal mental security, you cant be overtly rich in and in the upper echelons of the organisation.. you are just in it for comfort, not to have to try and join the commercial world with no education or experienc4e at 45+ (and yes i am a hypocrite, and tied into a cult, and told what to do by the oppressors, but i have a lovely wife and lovely family to attend to, what are you gonna do? we are all gonna die soon, whats the point of getting all angry about the social circle we were born into?) discuss..
conoroberst
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SHOW ME DA MONEY!!!!
by conoroberst ini always like to come back here and see those who are still in (but faking it, like me), those who are about to be out, and angry, those who are out and angry, and those who are out but sanguine (sp?
anyway.. despite all the undoubted and unargauble arguments about the wbts i just think its funny when y'all talk about the watchtower people being in it for the money...honestly, the bethel people, the elders (i know quite a few in the us and uk bethels), honestly, have you seen, their houses (if they have them), or their cars, or their suits, or their watches, or their shoes?
) even the branch people and the gb, honestly, these guys are not in it for the money, for the security maybe, a distasteful realisation many years ago that they have chosen the wrong path, that maybe they should have gone to university after all, but are stuck working as postmen (or overseers of packaging depts)..
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JW Care Homes For The Elderly.
by Englishman inhttp://www.jah-jireh.org/index.html
this is a registered charity run by a fella by the name of delaney.. you can become an associate and help them to raise money.
these are the latest figures i could obtain from the uk charity commission.. they seem to be doing ok!financial year startfinancial year endgross incometotal expenditure01 jan 199731 dec 1997114001 jan 199831 dec 199840026901 jan 199931 dec 19993502,10601 jan 200031 dec 2000812,199742,19601 jan 200131 dec 20011,894,4551,703,64401 jan 200231 dec 20022,214,7671,782,906. .
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conoroberst
and your point is?
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SHOW ME THE MONEY!
by conoroberst ini am an active (but leftfield) jw, who visits here periodically, one of the things that i have never understood is certain posters assertions that the wtbts is a money making scheme.. i was just wondering where these people think the money goes, has anyone here ever seen as ostentatious elder (in full time service) or gb member, or anyone who relies on the wtbts for their income with a rolex on?.
i havent, any elders or cos i have met with wealth are from their careers before going full time....all these people who quote the society's $1bn turnover seem to think some people are asking it in, if you do the math $1bn split between 6m supporters is really not much at all.... allll i would say is, show me the money :).
c.o.. uk
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ps... meant raking it in not asking it in..
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SHOW ME THE MONEY!
by conoroberst ini am an active (but leftfield) jw, who visits here periodically, one of the things that i have never understood is certain posters assertions that the wtbts is a money making scheme.. i was just wondering where these people think the money goes, has anyone here ever seen as ostentatious elder (in full time service) or gb member, or anyone who relies on the wtbts for their income with a rolex on?.
i havent, any elders or cos i have met with wealth are from their careers before going full time....all these people who quote the society's $1bn turnover seem to think some people are asking it in, if you do the math $1bn split between 6m supporters is really not much at all.... allll i would say is, show me the money :).
c.o.. uk
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conoroberst
Hello,
I am an active (but leftfield) JW, who visits here periodically, one of the things that I have never understood is certain posters assertions that the WTBTS is a money making scheme.
I was just wondering where these people think the money goes, has anyone here ever seen as ostentatious elder (in full time service) or GB member, or anyone who relies on the WTBTS for their income with a Rolex on?
I havent, any elders or COs I have met with wealth are from their careers before going full time....all these people who quote the society's $1bn turnover seem to think some people are asking it in, if you do the math $1bn split between 6m supporters is really not much at all...
allll I would say is, show me the money :)
C.O.
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Elder occupations
by Iforget inmy dad is an elder.
he is one of the most level headed compassionte men you will ever meet.
even though he never received a college education he was kind and understanding.
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conoroberst
so you think a four year course in law or accountancy would help a person get over a divorce, or a merchant banker or doctor would make a more effective shepherd,
how does a job that society deems as worthy or a college education make a person a better (or worse) minister,...it is not in the wtiness mindset to go to higher education as they/we (mistakenly possibly) believe that these are the last days...
Yeah I am sure that we were all architects we would be much more christ like..
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So When and Why Did They Stop Feeding People At Assemblies?
by Englishman init seems nuts to me.
the feeding of umpteen thousand using voliunteers was their "in" with all the local press.
i know that cafeterias were still in use in '72 when i left.
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conoroberst
dunno about bristol, but it happened in dudley, the kitchens and the newly converted dining hall.
i dont know what the others were on about though about not charging and tax breaks etc, as far as I can recall meals were always charged for (with those tear off tokens), I for one dont give two hoots about the lack of food though the bacon baps were nice at the start of the convention , far too much work went into making them though, but it made it much more of an event, especially cleaning the nasty ovens at the wolves ground (for teh americans, that is the Wolverhampton Wanderers FC soccer ground)
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Veterans day is a bunch of crap!!
by LuckyLucy ini have several friends that are veterans and they have to work on monday!!
yet teachers (and we know how useless they are) and students get the day off.i have an idea!!
why don't they just let the veterans off, would that be asking too much??
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oh dear hillbilly looks like you are shooting from the hip...
yes i have seen the world from a professional and tourist standpoint, having spent two years travelling after my mastes degree, (in asia and west africa), and laterly i usually spend about two months out of the country in my role as a corporate responsibility consultant.
Yes, i have also traevlled through airports in about 75% of ;European capitals but am not quite sure what you are talking about.
No, I didnt vote last week, what elections did I miss in the UK. No I am not on the town council as i am not ac ouncillor and have no desire to be one
As regards charities, though i am afiliated to several i only practically (as oposed to financially) support two of them Greenpeace in their Stop Esso Campaign and Shelter with working with the homeless, although obviously in my consultancy i come into contact with many charities and NGOs
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Veterans day is a bunch of crap!!
by LuckyLucy ini have several friends that are veterans and they have to work on monday!!
yet teachers (and we know how useless they are) and students get the day off.i have an idea!!
why don't they just let the veterans off, would that be asking too much??
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yeah, america does kick the crap out of other countries, in so many ways...here are 27 of them..
1) America is number one in millionaires.
2) America is number one in billionaires.
3) America is number one in military spending.
4) America is number one in firearm deaths.
5) America is number one in beef production.
6) America is number one in per capita energy use.
7) America is number one in carbon dioxide emissions (more than Australia, Brazil, Canada, France, India, Indonesia, Germany, Italy, Mexico and the United Kingdom combined).
8) America is number one in total and per capita municipal waste (720 kilograms per person per year).
9) America is number one in hazardous waste produced (by a factor of more than twenty times our nearest competitor, Germany).
10) America is number one in oil consumption.
11) America is number one in natural gas consumption.
12) America is number one in the least amount of tax revenue generated (as a percentage of gross domestic product).
13) America is number one in the least amount of federal and state government expenditure (as a percentage of GDP).
14) America is number one in budget deficit (as a percentage of GDP).
15) America is number one in daily per capita consumption of calories.
16) America is number one in lowest voter turnout.
17) America is number one in number of political parties represented in the lower or single house.
18) America is number one in recorded rapes (by a factor of almost three times our nearest competitor - Canada).
19) America is number one in injuries and deaths from road accidents (almost twice as many as runner-up Canada).
20) America is number one in births to mothers under the age of twenty (again, more than twice as many as Canada, and nearly twice as many as number two New Zealand).
21) America is number one in the number of international human rights treaties not signed.
22) America is number one among countries in the United Nations with a legally constituted government to not ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.
23) America is number one in number of known executions of child offenders.
24) America is number one in likelihood of children under the age of fifteen to die from gunfire.
25) America is number one in likelihood of children under the age of fifteen to commit suicide with a gun.
26) America is number one in lowest eighth-grade math scores.
27) America is number one in becoming the first society in history in which the poorest group of the population are children.
oh to be american...
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2002 Newsday Top 40 Private Companies ($$$)
by Funchback inhttp://www.newsday.com/business/printedition/ny-nyblurba2935802sep23(0,4425582).story?coll=ny%2dbusiness%2dprint .
for the full list, click the above (or cut and paste into your browser) link.
this list is limited to compnaies located in nyc.
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yep, something is strange about the $951m if it cops up year after year..
However, remember this is REVENUE not PROFIT
Do we know how much of this is expended in cost in the US bearing in mind the US covers all of the "Head Office" costs too.(and yes of course staff costs are reduced, but all othe Fixed and variable costs aren't)
Do we know how much of this money is sent out to other countries.
Irrespective of the other two figures amongst (say) 1,000,000 publishers, let alone associated ones and attenders $951 dollars each is not alot of money...if the society are just in it for the money they obviously need to do a lot better.
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couple of topics from a newbi
by Brummie insince i'm new here you may already know about this, i didnt have time to go through the 5 billion archived posts on this board to see if they had already been discussed.. .
1) bill bowen when he was in england related how jws would drive past his house and keep on honking their car horns (to intimidate)...so he put up a poster outside his house saying "honk for silentlambs"..hahahahahahaahahah , that was a pretty darn cool response huh.
things had never been so quiet after that!.
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sorry to disappoint you , even by my relatively high aesthetic standards Dudley Assembley Hall is looking pretty cool these days, down to the water feature in the lobby, the video screen on the stage and the marble (ok but they look like marble) in the foyer..
now manchester assembly hall, that is quite bad, despite the refurb...