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Pedophiles Among Us - (H20 post)

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posted by silentlambs <mailto: [email protected]> [silentlambs] on december 29, 2000 at 18:32:18 {koz7jvonlur.eq9dlgnykxdsqhckmu}: .

this policy is unethical and immoral in my opinion.

however, i can no longer continue to serve the members of my church as i do not agree with a church policy that as a church elder i am required to enforce.

STRUGGLE

Waiting I did'nt mean to upset you. If you will go back and read my post, I clearly stated that "so much is going on in the organization that we do not have a clue about, Jehoavh will clean it out".

And no I am not saying that satan is causing the org. to conceal or protect the pedophiles. I am very well aware that people are doing these things, not satan. But where did it all start? In the garden of eden. Who decieve who?

I agree wholeheartly with your thought, "show me in the Bible where
it says to cover over gross sins". It does'nt. Bottom line it is wrong. They need to be punish when it is brought to light. I don't have any children, but trust me when I say, even though I have loyalty to the org. nothing and no one could convince me to not take
action in a case like this.

Again I aplogize if I offened anyone.

No you did not offend me. I understand where you are coming from. Even though I am still totally devoted to the org. I know the men in it are imperfect.

You have help me alot whether you know it or not. Agape

Edited by - Struggle on 30 December 2000 23:10:3

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Pedophiles Among Us - (H20 post)

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posted by silentlambs <mailto: [email protected]> [silentlambs] on december 29, 2000 at 18:32:18 {koz7jvonlur.eq9dlgnykxdsqhckmu}: .

this policy is unethical and immoral in my opinion.

however, i can no longer continue to serve the members of my church as i do not agree with a church policy that as a church elder i am required to enforce.

STRUGGLE

No, a group of imperfect men cannot make up a perfect org. It is not possible. We are talking about someone who created everything. What I was saying Pathothorns is, even though it is hard don't focus so much on the men, their power is very limited compare to Jehovah.

As I like to say he is the final judge. He is our lifegiver not men.
Bear in mind he does use these men from time to time. Hope I did'nt confuse you more.

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Pedophiles Among Us - (H20 post)

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posted by silentlambs <mailto: [email protected]> [silentlambs] on december 29, 2000 at 18:32:18 {koz7jvonlur.eq9dlgnykxdsqhckmu}: .

this policy is unethical and immoral in my opinion.

however, i can no longer continue to serve the members of my church as i do not agree with a church policy that as a church elder i am required to enforce.

STRUGGLE

Sad story indeed. Bob mention he wished he could click his heels and say "I wish this was Jehovah's organization". I agree, because so much is going on that we do not have a clue about. But I know that Jehovah will without a doubt clean out his organization. Sometimes we get impatient when things don't happen when we feel they should. (1975). It is scary, life is so hard, so many choices, which one! What to do?

Bob I encourage you to try to start going back to the meetings, remember you are serving Jehovah who is perfect, not man who is not.

Don't let Satan use this tactic to keep you away. First and foremost pray to your heavnly father. Talk to him.

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Confessing

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hello, i was reading judical com.

was really suprise to find out how some of jw's feel.

some have, like the single mom, have such a negative experience with them.

STRUGGLE

Dear Frenchy

Thanks for saying I have a good attitude about all of this. Yes I have thought about if me and this man should progress to the point of marriage, and if any children are conceive, I know there would be alot of problems. As you mention he may become resentful if I can use that word of the time I spend serving Jehovah, He may not want any children raised in the truth. Yes I have considered it, that is why I mention earlier maybe it would be best if we just broke it off now, that way we could avoid alot of heartache. I won't dicuss the subject with him, (confessing to the elders) that really uspets him, he has know people who have gotten disfellowhsip for various reasons, and does not understand why they have the right to do it. Needless to say I can't talk to him about my problem.

And I do feel like I can be guided by Jehoavah. Maybe I worded it wrong but, what I was trying to say I am not independent of the org. so therefore I feel that Jehovah would still guide me. Do you understand what I am trying to say?

You really had alot to say, I appreciate it, I am still thinking about it. Again I am by nature an honest person, but the thought of getting dis'f could change that. We have not been together since it happen, we talk but thats about it. I miss being around him. He wants me to come over, But I don't think I should. The less I do the less I have to worry about.

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Confessing

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hello, i was reading judical com.

was really suprise to find out how some of jw's feel.

some have, like the single mom, have such a negative experience with them.

STRUGGLE

To Thinker

Or course I can pray to Jehoavah God one-on-one. And yes I can be guided by him. As I have mention before man cannot direct his own foot steps. Jehovah wants me to be loyal. I feel the elders do indeed have my best interest at heart. I feel this is his arrangement. I value the input and things you have given me to think about. I don't necessarily feel that loyalty to Jehovah means loyalty to his org. in the sense I have to blab and tell everything to the elders. I do feel Jehovah are using these men from time to time.

Please know that talking to all of you does help this great pain that I am in. For that I am truly grateful.

To Ianao

At this point and time I can't leave the org. and serve Jehovah on my own. Reading Prov. 25:13, 14 and James 5:16 helps me
some. Please understand that I know Jehovah is the final "Judge".
He knows my thoughts, intention and my heart.

Well I am off to work. Another new therapy, I've been working a whole lot.

Edited by - Struggle on 30 December 2000 11:22:22

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Confessing

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hello, i was reading judical com.

was really suprise to find out how some of jw's feel.

some have, like the single mom, have such a negative experience with them.

STRUGGLE

Dear Redhorsewoman

I agree with you 100% when you stated Jehovah is the only one who can forgive us. Things are getting clearer. Until I talk with them, I really don't know what will come out. I know people who have had bad experiences with the elders, I have not as of yet. I have some very loving ones at my cong. But as I've stated before, everyone reaches a point where they get tired, if you know what I mean.

I am really and truly sorry you had to go through the things you did in Jehovah's org. No one not even the elders should be a stumbling block. My motto is that if I had not committed no "sin" then I would not be in the situation that lies before me.

I remember at one convention, a talk was given a few years back about how the elders should treat people. This has stuck with me, It stated elders should be harsh never, firm sometimes, kind always.

I know we live in an imperfect world. But my hope and trust will to the best of my ability lie with my heavenly father, Jehovah God.
What can I say, I love him, I am mad at myself for hurting him.

Again I am sorry that you had to endure so much pain and hurt.

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Confessing

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hello, i was reading judical com.

was really suprise to find out how some of jw's feel.

some have, like the single mom, have such a negative experience with them.

STRUGGLE

Dear Orange Vale Bob

Thank you so much. Yes I still have loyalty to the org. It is what I know and belive in. I understand whay you are saying. What if you would have stay with her. You know what Jehovah says about becoming unevenly yoked.

I still want to please my creator, I love him and I stayed. He is it for me. (Jehovah) There is no one else. Even though the flesh is weak.

That is the crossroads I am at now. Everyone has given me choices and things to think about. But the final choice is mind. I will do the right thing, I feel Jehovah is angry with me, but that he has not given up me. You know what the Bible says, we leave Jehovah he does not leave us.

Again thank so much.

Edited by - Struggle on 29 December 2000 18:24:7

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Jehovah's Organization

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i've recently had a discussion with a witness friend in which she said that jehovah had to have an organization.

if not jehovah's witnesses, then who else could possibly have his approval?.

what i would like to know is if jehovah has always had an organization, who were they?

STRUGGLE

Do you beleive in the Bible? When reading it, you discern for yourself which organize religion is to the best of their ability,
following it. The Bible speaks about removing the wicked man, it speaks about learning war no more, it speaks about going out and preaching, it speaks about the dead being conscience of nothing at all....

Read 1 John 5:20 and Matt. 7:21-23, we would be regconize by our fruitage. Got to go to work now.

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Confessing

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hello, i was reading judical com.

was really suprise to find out how some of jw's feel.

some have, like the single mom, have such a negative experience with them.

STRUGGLE

Thank You for the good incite.

I have seen within my congregation also where the brohters seem to side with the husband. One wife was subjected to extreme verbal abuse for years, she got no help when she went to the elders, finally she left, move out of state. This was not a young couple. Now he sits alone, and I am sure the wife has some peace of mind.

I know I have choices, but as I have stated earlier I beleive in Jehovah, and some passages in the bible are plain and simple. I'll
probaly have my meeting sunday or monday, I'll let you know what my choice was. And yes this man does have my heart!

You see if I don't tell everything, then here I sit at the kh listening to talks about sex, pricking still at my concsience.
I don't wish to offend any of you, but I am still going to my meetings with Jehovah's help no matter what, no church for me. If I did'nt go to the hall, then I would not go anywhere.

With out a doubt Jehovah is the final judge. I am off to work now and I hope you all have a good day.

One more thing, have any of you had someone close to you die and would like to see them in paradise? I have, that weighs on my mind also, about coming clean. Agape!

Edited by - Struggle on 29 December 2000 9:15:42

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Confessing

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hello, i was reading judical com.

was really suprise to find out how some of jw's feel.

some have, like the single mom, have such a negative experience with them.

STRUGGLE

Yes I was raised in the truth. Third generation JW. But I did'nt get baptize until I was in my 20's. Yes I am torn emotionally. Sometimes I just want to go away and start all over where no one knows me.

What is interesting is that I could have married a brother. But he stop going to the meetings. He has been dis'f for two years. Now ironically here I am dating this quote, unquote wordly man. Who by the way is really nice, with good values.

Go ahead girl and enjoy your wine!

Edited by - Struggle on 28 December 2000 21:17:50