Thanks for this. 110 minutes on appealing, 90 minutes on reinstating, 95 minutes on how to conduct the Watchtower? Why do they need 95 minutes to go over that? The rest seems like generic talks.
Richard_I
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666, Revelation, and preterism
by Richard_I inon reddit, there's a post about how 666 is mistranslated as 616 in revelation (thread).
666 and 616 are both correct.
if you read into revelations, very little is presented as actual prophecy- it's an analogous tale to describe the roman empire during their persecution of christianity.. 666 and 616 come from the hebrew tradition of converting words into numerical values.
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Richard_I
On reddit, there's a post about how 666 is mistranslated as 616 in Revelation (thread). However, someone posted this very interesting comment which I thought I would share here:
666 and 616 are both correct. If you read into revelations, very little is presented as actual prophecy- it's an analogous tale to describe the roman empire during their persecution of Christianity.
666 and 616 come from the Hebrew tradition of converting words into numerical values. The Roman emporer, Nero, can either be written as נרון קסר (Neron Kaiser), or נרו קסר (Nero Caeser), which numerically represent 666 and 616 respectively.
This becomes more evident as you read the description of the beast;
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
The 7 kings are the emporer's of rome, Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula and Claudius are the kings who have fallen, Nero is the one who is being described, and Galba was to succeed him (remember, this was a retelling, not a prophecy.
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies
Which is likely a reference to the roman emperor worship, and how Nero called himself the sun god Apollo
and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
As Nero's campaign against christianity began in 64 AD and ended 3 and a half years later.
and the final line makes it obvious that the number was made to that end:
Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
ie, if you know how our system works, it should be obvious what we're talking about.
tl;dr, there's a large school of thought that the revelations section of the new testament is not a description of a coming apocalypse, but a teaching of the origins of Christianity, and their struggle with roman persecution.
You can see the comment here. I have never heard of this, and it is apparantly the preterism view of Revelation. IMO it makes a lot of sense viewing Revelation from this point of view. Just thought I'd share the comment.
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bethelite kills self because of guilt 10/31/73
by new boy ini was working on my car in the factory {bld.
1} on friday oct. 31 1973, when all hell broke loose, the fire alarm in bld.
4 went off at about 9:30. the night watchman could find nothing.
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Richard_I
Someone jumped out a window in E Building at Wallkill some decades ago too, I remember reading it here, I'll see if I can find it again. Turns out, suicide occurs occasionally at the wonderful, cheerful Bethels.
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New December KM with changes all over
by pixel inis not on the public website yet, but here it is, full more changes:.
to the 2015 school:.
bible highlights: brothers as- signed this part will have two min- utes to consider one interesting and practical scriptural point from the weekly bible reading.
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Richard_I
Few people, other than the holy rollers, were prepared for offering bible studies on the first saturdays of the months (i know my family never prepared), so it makes sense they got rid of it.
I often wondered if they would do a #2 with brothers and there it (kind of) is. i imagined the old elders i knew that hated being together, up on stage doing a #2 and its such a funny mental image to me and the fact that its a reality now is even more hilarious. but honestly, nobody is going to enjoy those new #3 talks.
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2014 JW News!
by Atlantis inthese posts came from a jw website.. .2014, new pocket size bible.. .it was released today the small pocket bible in english at the.... .keep seeking first god's kingdom audio.. .2014 regional convention 'keep seeking first god's kingdom!
' audio recorded on august 22-24, 2014 at twickenham, london, united kingdom.. .. new governing body committees lists.. .new governing body committees announced.
info released today at.... .. witnesses in ebola areas..witnesses in liberia many brothers ask us about our situation in.... .. 2014 jw broadcasting tv station.. .private tour of the new jw broadcasting tv station!!
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Richard_I
There we go, the heaviest of the "bethel heavies", this is what I always wanted. ty very much for this ->
The committees and their helpers are the guys who run the org. these guys and the legal team are the top brass, i'd say the average age of these comittees to be in the 60's to 70's. if there's a new gb member, he'll be one of these guys
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Watchtower encouraging members to go and preach in Israel
by wannaexit inan odd letter was read at last nights' meeting.
it was in regards to a special campaign for next year arranged by the governing body to go and preach in israel.
the call is going out to anybody that speaks hebrew and english.
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Richard_I
this letter was read at my meeting here in canada. doubt anyone would go on their own dime. they want you there for at least two weeks. ya right. you don't need to know hebrew either, the letter said english or hebrew publishers are invited due to much of israel being english
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How many born ins actually stay?
by lostinthought ini was wondering if anyone know sany statistics of the amount of born ins that actually stay in the orginization.
i think i have read it before on here but i can't really remember what it was.
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Richard_I
most of the born-ins i know stay in, i'd say its like 90%.
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jw.org is first for me when i search both jw and jehovah's witnesses
http://i.imgur.com/Aqtd4Sw.png http://i.imgur.com/nw4tKzF.png
as DwainBowman said, results are not always the same across multiple computers because Google tailors results based on your previous searches and ads you click and other stuff, but jw.org should always be #1 simply due to wt's seo
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CO's visit ends with a bombshell!!!
by nowwhat? inat the end of his final talk he said of the gb: they are telling the higher ups , "start getting ready we're not going to be around much longer!
" and we expect the angels to release the four winds any day now!
" my first thought was why are you building a corporate country club then?!
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Richard_I
This isn't a bombshell, this has been regularly spoken about for a long time. I remember my CO in my pioneer school saying the GB "can feel the end is near" and that was in 2009. Hell, Wayne Johnson, a DO, said right from the platform in an assembly with over 400 people that he expected armageddon within six months and that was more than 5 years ago too.
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Watchtower Legal Department targeting Facebook and Youtube users
by Londo111 infrom an email i received of a conversation had with people from patterson:.
it seems that the wts legal dept.
has been working with the fb [facebook] legal dept for about a year and also with youtube whoever they are, to enforce transparency.
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Richard_I
Sounds like BS (actually, I know it's BS), I actually laughed out loud when I read this. They don't even take down their own videos off of YouTube, which violate their copyright. They don't give a shit about apostates and never will. They don't look at the forums, they don't have a team that "surf FB and YouTube daily" (again, they would be removing the full videos from YouTube if this was the case) and they already know all the major problems within JWs which seems to be porn, masturbation, fornication, and adultery. These three things are the most popular disfellowshipping acts and all the counsel is solely focused on sexual activity, look at all the stupid porn articles that they shoot out and in a WT last year said you can be DF'ed if you regularly look at porn
