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  Why did you stop believing in God?

  by The Quiet One in

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  I am not sure that I or anyone else said that higher education automatically equals atheism.

  When it comes to debating Gods existence on this forum, more often than not it is the atheists who use logical arguments and scientific facts. That's all I was saying.

  Trying to equate studying WT articles with those who want scientifc evidence for God might be insulting to a few people here. Not me though, I don't care much for God or even science really. One thing about science though, it is true whether or not you choose to believe it. This is not so with the bible, it requires giant leaps of faith and logic.

  The bible is full of errors and contradictions. The belief that the bible is Gods word, his method for communicating with mankind and his primary way of revealing himself to us (besides creation if your that way inclined) , is hard to defend in this age of information. If it is from God, it is a pretty clumsy effort.
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  Why did you stop believing in God?

  by The Quiet One in

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  I am not into debating the existence of God, but I hope you get some replies Villagegirl. I did notice you use many sweeping generalizations about non believers and also demanded they educate themselves. More often than not it is the athiests who have science, facts and education on there side.

  I hope you get a reply from cofty and consider his posts carefully with an open mind.

  Just on the bible teaching the earth was round. The verse in Isaiah could refer to a round flat earth. When you consider that he mentions spreading a tent over the earth it would seem he meant flat. Also Satan takes Jesus to a unusually high mountain where he can view all the Kingdoms of earth, this would include the Shang Dynasty in China plus civilizations in America and so on. Seems to refer to a flat earth. In Daniel 4 the tree grows to such a height that it is visible in all the earth. Seems to refer to a flat earth. Again in Job, the bible says the earth takes shape like a clay seal, which again would seem to indicate the belief in a flat earth.

  The bible doesn't really say for sure either way what the shape of the earth is, but picking out one verse in isolation and trying to make the bible sound like an ancient inspired science text book does nothing to prove the existence of God.
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  Avoiding the subject

  by dissonance_resolved in

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  so as i progress in my fade, i've started to notice a curious phenomenon.

  just when i think this will be the missed meeting/ field service/ assembly that will cause all heck to break to loose- no one says anything.

  this includes immediate family and extended family in the same congregation.

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  My family have noticed my drop in attendance and are concerned. I am also hounded by my group overseer for sheparding visits. Keep in mind, that I have not met with the group for field circus in many months, so while I call him my group overseer, that term is getting less and less relevant as time passes. He can't keep asking for a sheparding visit forever, but if he does I will tell him to stop asking.

  I don't think we are overly paranoid. I know I have had some group overseers in the past that would not attempt making any sheparding visits, so it depends on individuals and circumstances I think. They had me in line as a possible MS so they could load me up with meeting parts. Because I suddenly became inactive they have been trying to find out what has caused the sudden change in attitude.

  I wish everyone in my circle would just avoid the subject, it would make fading much easier.
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  Hello

  by Seraphim23 in

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  not sure if this is the place to say hello and im new but hello and im new here.

  i was a jw years ago but not for many years now.

  i joined here because i was kicked off the last jw related board i was on.

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  Well you will be safe here. We have everyone from atheists to the Lord Jesus Christ himself on this site.
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  How to fade?

  by naazira in

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  i am suppose to become an unbaptized publisher in a few days.

  however ive changed my mind.

  i finished my bible study and progressing in the org.

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  there is a newly baptized sister in the cong who is already doubting sucks for her. she has been on apostate websites

  Do you know what sites or information she has been looking at? Everyone who chooses to leave the Watchtower religion needs to investigate and prove that it is not the truth to themselves. You should encourage her to investigate the religion and critically examine the beliefs. Get her to look at JWfacts and this site.

  If you can, it would be nice to help free her of the mental chains that the WT has put her in, before she wastes her life in what is basically a scam. You would be doing her an incredible service.
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  How to fade?

  by naazira in

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  i am suppose to become an unbaptized publisher in a few days.

  however ive changed my mind.

  i finished my bible study and progressing in the org.

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  Hello and welcome. You are on the right track. Don't become an unbaptized publisher. And do not, for the love of all things sacred, get baptized into this religion.

  The elders and the central authority of this religion have no power or control over you.

  You could, just to mess with them a bit, ask questions like, "Will Jehovah destroy me if I don't dedicate myself to the organization?". "Is there any reasonable objections people have with this religion, or is there no such thing?"

  Get on with your life and put the WT well out of your mind.
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  Why are there 8 Governing Body/FDS members?!

  by DATA-DOG in

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  this is pure speculation.

  just one of those things that make you go, " hmmmmm??!!

  8th member of the gb is appointed just in time for the nu-light?!.

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  Probably 8 testicles too.

  Probably. But we should not be dogmatic about these things.
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  Who has experienced a REAL demonic incident?

  by Monsieur in

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  has anybody here experienced a bonafide, real, true incident in whicy 'demons' actually interacted with you or did something 'supernatural' that left you convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that satan and his demons exist??.

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  I remember that story from 60 minutes in Australia a few years back. Crazy stuff. I remember the police officers could not control one of the women, she had some high adrenalin strength happening.

  I heard that those girls studied the Watchtower and now they are baptized, special pioneers, serving where the need is great and receiving rich blessings from Jehovah. The WT cured them of demons.
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  WT Society Changes Definitions of Words to Control JW's for Their Agenda

  by flipper in

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  my wife and i were discussing this and thought of a few examples of words that the wt society changes meanings on in order to accomplish their own self serving agenda .

  the term - generation - definition in webster's new world dictionary : " generation - a single stage or degree in the succession of natural descent ( father, son, and grandson are three generations ) .

  the average period ( about thirty years ) between the birth of one generation and that of the next .

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  Everything is loaded in JW speak. Christian can only refer to them, Religion is everyone but them. Armageddon, a location mentioned only once in the bible, is a grand occurence that will take place soon.

  That is another word that is redefined by the WT... soon. Very soon, really close now, just around the corner, shortly, within our lifetime, before the end of the 20th century, the time is at hand, on the horizon.... SOON.

  Edited to add: Independence.

  Excuse the italics, my iPad is demonized.
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  For those faking meeting attendance

  by His Excellency in

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  for those of you who are still faking meeting attendance and field service, do you still greet the dubs after the sessions?.

  because for me, i am increasingly finding it difficult to showcase any fake smile and pretend everything is allright.

  in fact, i'm already getting exhausted with the hypocrisy, i just have to remain in for family reasons.

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  I would only have concerns for helping your wife learn TTATT. If you can help her wake up you would probably find attempting a fade much easier.

  I can imagine how difficult it would be having a wife that still believes. I didn't know at first how my wife would respond and I was stressing about how to approach the subject. I was pretty lucky that she trusted my concerns were genuine and came to the same conclusion as me. It still sucks though, we have young children and our parents are in the org but we want out.

  I know how frustrating and thought consuming the whole situation is. Learning TTATT and then the turmoil that comes afterward can be one of the hardest things someone ever goes through. Take it slow, and look after your own health. Many have been able to help their partners wake up by being patient.