it seems kind of crazy to go to someone's house touting your religion as truth and then not even defend your own beliefs.
why do jws stop the chat if someone just tries to calmly reason/debate with them?
i'm not talking about crazy preachers who start slamming bibles and yelling about how they need jesus or something.
The mentality of JWs is like this; If someone wants to debate the WT doctrine, they are not being honest with themselves and they are not humble enough to learn the truth. They believe that there is no such thing as reasonable objections to their religion, the problem is always the householders.
The JW then concludes that the householder is not worthy of life, and will soon be executed at Armageddon.......move on to the next door.....we need some vulnerable victims.
so where are his buildings, monuments, in real life ?
why cant archeologists find them ?
where are the tourist attractions ?.
He built them invisibly.
...........and to provide direction for their lives?.
since the bible reports that jehovah led first-century christians individually through instruction directly from the holy spirit, with no accountability to a "governing body" in jerusalem, why do christians today need a "governing body" of elders?.
here are some examples of non governing body activitiy:.
Because the Watchtower says so.
don't get me wrong, this forum currently has plenty of interesting discussions and posters, but, for those of you who weren't on the old jwd board in the early-to-mid-00s, man...i'm sorry but you really missed out on the glory years of this forum.
it was really a special, unique place then.
again, not dissing the current, but, that huge exciting wave of ex-jw internet activity that occurred in the early part of this century seems to have leveled off.
Sparlock was 2012 and that was glorious.
my grandmother asked me to read to her so i asked her what she wanted me to read.
was the watchtower, but she specfically asked for the one with "the timeline.
it for a few days and apparently hasn't read up.
What you read was a "new idea" by the Governing Body. According to GB member David Splane, the GB "love this new idea".
The GB have been handed a promotion from Jehovah, which gives them the authority over 7 million people.
The idea is that Jesus handed over the control of all his belongings (JWs), to the Governing Body in 1919. Never mind that there was no Governing Body in until the 1970's, or the fact that the GB were not made aware of their own identity until just now.
The point is, it's a great idea from Jehovah that we should love.
almighty god must have had a lot of time for thinking, so he must have sat there, at least once and thought along the lines of:.
"i wonder if i am actually almighty god, or is there something or someone greater than me ?".
"how can i know i have always existed?".
So YHWH was danced into existence. And 2 trillion years ago, YHWH's creator sent his Son, who made a square circle to give evidence of the only true inspired ebook, so that YHWH would have no excuse.
cherrypicking individual verses out of context from scripture to fit our own theorums.. i randomly used 3 scriptures and stitched them together watchtower(r) style for a joke and to prove a point.. nb.
this is under the jokes section so don't take it seriously .
matthew 23:23 then jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:2 the teachers of the law and the pharisees sit in moses seat.. evidently this is a very old seat and probably needs a new cushion by now.
I have seen sillier ideas in actual WT publications.
my wife got the following message on facebook.
(she is an artist) screams scam to me but hell...every artist wants more exposure dont they?
i think they are just name dropping in the hope of what?.
Yes it definently sounds suspicious.
But if your wife wants to be a successful artist, I can make her famous and wealthy. I will need a deposit up front.
slain 10-year-old girl spoke of devoting her life to ending violence hours before she was shot.
by stephen magagninipublished: friday, may.
just hours before she was shot to death, 10-year-old elvira campos said she wanted to devote her life to teaching people the bible "and its promise that one day all the violence would end," said her best friend and teacher, olga cruz.. "that afternoon i picked her up for bible study, and we talked about the future," a tearful cruz recalled thursday afternoon.
That is real sad.
by 'actively vocal', i do not mean openly criticising the articles and pointing out the inconsistencies or flipflops (not footwear, reversals).
i do mean letting people know that you're finding it hard to understand the new truth, and the fact that there is therefore old truth, or falsities, (is that a word?
it is now), therefore if there are falsehoods (that's the word, of course), then that puts into doubt the extent of jah's involvement in the preparation/dissemination of it all... (and making it clear you're not saying they aren't gods prophets on earth, just that you're not sure, don't know).. the reason i ask is cos i'm finding it hard to completely fade without an external reason.
I don't think there is anything to be gained by expressing doubts. I know how frustrating your situation is, I am in a very similar one.
I often think about taking a stand or vocalizing doubts with the next crazy WT doctrine change, or "new light", but this will just make a fade more difficult. You just want to make a clean break from the religion, tell everyone how you really feel and have your family understand, but this is not going to happen...... that's why it's called a "fade", not a implosion.
It is nice to entertain the idea of sitting down with the elders, showing them the errors in their latest "new idea", and have them say "We understand, it's a crazy WT, take a break from theocratic activities, everyone in your family will understand your position". It will never play out like this.
I expressed doubts to the elders about 1914 when I was waking up. I regret this. It just puts you on their radar. They want to "shepherd" me regularly, they constantly want to know if I have resolved my problems, phone calls, messages, even pop in visits. I also believe that the elders talk among themselves about this, then go home and talk their wives, who will tell their friends, and then the whole congregation suspects you are turning apostate.
You are better off just playing the discouraged-exhausted card. Stay under the radar. By all means talk with wife, but just take it slow.
Besides 607/1914, the thing I mentioned to my wife was some Noahs flood stuff, and how I can't agree with the whole earth being covered in water just 4500 years ago...... how did native animals get back to Australia and other islands? Did some hyper evolution occur after the flood? How did coral reefs and vegetation survive in the deep water? What about marine life, salt/freshwater? Over 9 metres of water fell per hour, every hour, for forty days!? Where did it go? And on and on you can go. Things just snowballed from there, I guess am lucky to have my wife out with me.
Take it slow, all the best. Many here share similar circumstances and feelings.
