Voluntary Bleeding can be accomplished with training.
Do you have any more info on that? I haven't heard of this before.
Apognophos
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Independent research group investigate Italian stigmatic, healer, psychic....
by yadda yadda 2 inthis makes fascinating reading.
the southern california society for psychical research, an independent group, in 1984 investigated the famous natuzza evolo, a renowned italian mystic, healer and stigmatic.
although not a full scientific investigation, some of the team were amazed and found no evidence of fraud or any reason to doubt her abilities.. http://www.scribd.com/doc/23650855/natuzza-evolo-psychogenic-phenomena-by-michael-nanko.
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Comprehensive NWT Comparison Project (calling all technically skilled members)
by Apognophos inis anyone aware if this project is already being done by someone?
if not, perhaps we can brainstorm how to go about this, now that the pdf for the revised nwt is out.
a couple initial impressions:.
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Thanks. I'll be playing around with this over the next few days to see what works in terms of comparison and presentation.
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Watchtower Eliminated the "Evil Slave Class" according to E-Watchman? True or False?
by AuntConnie inlooking for information to make the july 15th, 2013 watchtower make sense, i came across the e-watchman website.
is he a jehovah's witnesses waiting for the reformation or a apostate like all of us on jwn?.
his post on the "faithful and evil slave" is very enlightening, according to his question he received from his readers, the watchtower said "there is no evil slave class" to eliminate fear the evil slave is working at bethel!.
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so is the Watchtower's GB now the Evil Slave who is telling all Annointed Christians they are "suspect" of being mentally ill unless they are working with the Governing Body at Bethel?
Well, even if they were accepted as fellow anointed, you made the point that they officially have no say in anything anymore (of course this was unofficially the case all along; anointed ones could not write in to the Society and suggest "new light"). I am surprised that the Society changed their understanding on this scripture, but I suppose they are just that confident that they are faithful and that no one could accuse them of being evil.
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Watchtower Eliminated the "Evil Slave Class" according to E-Watchman? True or False?
by AuntConnie inlooking for information to make the july 15th, 2013 watchtower make sense, i came across the e-watchman website.
is he a jehovah's witnesses waiting for the reformation or a apostate like all of us on jwn?.
his post on the "faithful and evil slave" is very enlightening, according to his question he received from his readers, the watchtower said "there is no evil slave class" to eliminate fear the evil slave is working at bethel!.
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Yes, that is correct, but this is a case of the Society finally correcting their slanted interpretation of the scripture. In the past, they made up a new slave character in the parable, and stated that this slave represented apostates. They corrected this in the July WT, admitting that although apostates are pretty evil, this is not another character in the parable, therefore can be no such thing as a slave class.
If you simply read the passage, it's clear that Jesus is saying that the slave appointed over the domestics is the one who might turn to abusing his fellow slaves ("if ever"). So the Society's current take on this is actually the sensible one (gasp!). The evil slave is what the faithful slave becomes if he begins abusing the other slaves. What's not so sensible is that the Society is confident that they are not doing exactly what the evil slave is described as doing.
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An honest report of the accomplishments of Jesus since 1914
by Terry innot much.. he is directing the watchtower society to print magazines that contain errors.. the goats he separated from the sheep have had to be put back in with the sheep because of policy changes.. stray sheep have been ostracized and turned into lamb stew.. the war to end all wars (wwi) has been followed by wwii, korea, viet nam, and the cold one.
(no need to mention the war on terror.).
there have been earthquakes, famine, disease and a lot of marrying and eating at fine restaurants.. 1925 came and went without any ancient worthies moving in to the residence at beth sarim.. the world got so dangerous in 1975 nobody noticed it.. the generation that saw all the signs and wonders had been dropping dead like flies.
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All right, you guys keep going on and on about this, so I rang Jesus about this (we went to college together). Here's what he had to say.
"Quit harshing my buzz, man. I just gotta finish installing this dish so I can watch TV from the throne. You'd be surprised how hard it is to get good reception in heaven. I just spent over two hours on the roof, that's like, what, 80 years human time? And now I gotta figure out where all these wires go.
(shouting to one side:) Hey Gabe, what time does Game of Thrones come on? (indistinct) Aww, crap. Hey, grab me a brew while you're in there.
Look, I gotta hurry, I'll get back to you later, okay?"
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A Manual for Creating Atheists by Peter Boghossian
by cofty ina manual for creating atheists offers the first-ever guide not for talking people into faith--but for talking them out of it.
peter boghossian draws on the tools he has developed and used for more than twenty years as a philosopher and educator to teach how to engage the faithful in conversations that will help them value reason and rationality, cast doubt on their religious beliefs, mistrust their faith, abandon superstition and irrationality, and ultimately embrace reason.
- amazon.... "boghossian has provided an indispensible chart book for all of us who must navigate the rising sea of magical thinking that is inundating america today.
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cofty: Sorry, I hadn't seen you say that anywhere, I take my remark back then. I guess I was lumping you in with people like Hitchens who seem to hate any kind of religious thinking.
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In general, the people on this forum have a poor outlook spiritually speaking.
by Stand for Pure Worship inso i waz reading the august 15 wt study article, elisha saw fiery chariots, do you?
and it made me think about this forum.
if you remember, syria was hunting god's prophet, elisha.
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Marking because this thread title makes me laugh every time I read it.
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Bro at table set up wouldn't answer question (but still counted his time)
by ShirleyW ini asked when they would start offering gray bible and she said two weeks, then the only bro at the table saw my headphones in my hand started in by saying " i see you're plugged in, do you have a smartphone?
to which i said no, because i just had a feeling that must've been a new angle to tell folks about the new bible app.the sis said they would start offering it in two weeks the bro goes on to mention that you can download the app and you get the bible in five different languages and mentions some other stuff you can do onthe app, i said all this technology reminds when the society admonished you all to stay away from the interenet about 25 years ago .
you should've seen his face, he was smiling but was thinking "how does show know" behind that smile.
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Earlier I made a post with paragraph breaks that ended up posting as a wall like that. I had to edit it and add extra breaks so there was an empty line between each paragraph. That did the trick for me.
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The GENERATION explanation is now a BOLD FACE LIE
by scotoma inwhen i first heard about the new "generation" explanation i was confused because i didn't see clearly how they were explaining it.. now it looks like they finally figured it out for themselves and it is no longer confusing.. it is now a simple, ignorant, bold face lie.. this is from the january 1st watchtower.
(and i hope to hell someone from writing gets wind of this).
paragraph 15 page 31 blue stands for the exact words in the watchtower.
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Even more outrageous was their advancing a completely new view of the "faithful and discreet slave" simply by saying, "In recent decades that slave has been closely identified with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses." But they never said who it WAS in recent decades that closely identified that slave as such.
It's true, that wording is so disingenuous. I'm reminded of how a former president was told to "avoid the 'I' word" when speaking publicly. This caused him to speak in a roundabout manner and use fragmentary sentences just to avoid speaking about himself. There, the goal was to seem modest, but here, there's a much more dishonest motivation.
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Stands For True Worship. I am turning myself in......
by DATA-DOG injust answer this question in an honest and unbiased way, free from any circuitous reasoning or speculation.
if you do so, i swear to my heavenly father, that i will call the elders tonight and turn myself in.
any active jw may answer this question.
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I'm sure we'll get an answer, and I'm sure it will be disappointing.