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  Woman was created first! It's science.

  by wannabefree in

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  woman was created first.. every human being has 46 chromosomes arranged in 23 pairs, the first twenty two are autosomes, or matching, the twenty third pair matches in the female (xx), however, the male is mismatched (xy).. notice what is missing from that second x?

  yes, one of its ribs has been removed.. clearly, in a female, since all are matching pairs, it makes sense that woman was created first as the male xy combination is the mutated pair.

  why would god create the mismatched dna first?

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  It is an anatomical fact that men have one less rib or one short stubby rib

  [citation needed]
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  Woman was created first! It's science.

  by wannabefree in

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  woman was created first.. every human being has 46 chromosomes arranged in 23 pairs, the first twenty two are autosomes, or matching, the twenty third pair matches in the female (xx), however, the male is mismatched (xy).. notice what is missing from that second x?

  yes, one of its ribs has been removed.. clearly, in a female, since all are matching pairs, it makes sense that woman was created first as the male xy combination is the mutated pair.

  why would god create the mismatched dna first?

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  We have the same number of ribs, but our genes don't. That's what wannabefree was saying.

  The Eden story was presumably not trying to say something about male anatomy when Adam had a rib taken from him, but only about Adam's anatomy. In other words, it wasn't an explanation of why men have one less rib, but was just intended to show that Eve was made from Adam (which was the way a patriarchal society would prefer to think of things as having happened).

  Wizard of Oz brought up an interesting point about society possibly being matriarchal at one time. Some culture's oldest stories sometimes paint women in a stronger light than the stories that came later. However, we're talking about a hypothetical time so far back that it's prehistoric, so we have no clear records or other evidence that women were ever in charge.

  It is interesting to note here that our two closest relatives, chimps and bonobos, are patriarchal and matriarchal, respectively.
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  Pay your subway fare in NY city - or ELSE!

  by fulltimestudent in

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  http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/11/22/12/10/nypd-cop-filmed-splitting-man-s-head-open-with-baton.

  footage has emerged of an new york city police officer striking an alleged fare-evader's head with a baton, sending the man stumbling and spraying bystanders with his blood.. the video shows the officer approach 20-year-old donovan lawson at bushwick train station in brooklyn yesterday shortly before 8pm.. graphic warning: viewers may find the contents of this video shocking.

  lawson was sitting on a wooden bench and holding his hands up when the unnamed officer started throwing punches.. witness michelle anas was on her way home from work when she stumbled across the scene.. she said she went to call 911 just as the officer pulled out his truncheon and cracked lawson over the head, sending him reeling across the platform as blood poured from his skull.. "it was one of the most awful things i've ever seen," witness michelle anas told new york daily news.

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  News flash: Don't struggle with cops and you won't get whacked.
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  We're not dealing with sincere anointed who genuinely believe their teachings but scam artists

  by truthseeker in

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  looking at all the doctrinal teachings over the last five years, it's almost impossible for any person of conscience who originated such doctrine to do a complete u-turn and change it when the passage of time has proved beyond doubt that doctrine is no longer credible.. i say this with reference to the generation of 1914. they were so sure.

  it was part of the awake!

  masthead for decades that those who saw the events of 1914 would also see the great tribulation.. .

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  I've generally leaned toward the school of thought that the leadership is sincere, but probably the two biggest things that make me doubt their sincerity are the overlapping generation teaching and the allowance of blood fractions. What these teachings have in common is a seeming refusal to admit that they could be flat-out wrong about something they previously said.

  Instead of admitting "We don't know how long a generation is", they've come up with a new definition of "generation" which strains logic in order to explain why we're all still here in 2014. Interestingly, though, they did admit indirectly in 1995 that they didn't know the length of the "generation" when they defined it as basically an "era". Then they debuted the crazy "overlapping" interpretation in 2010 which goes back to making an assertion that they definitely know how long the generation is. But they were almost humble there!... on this one issue... for a period of 15 years.

  With blood, the general agreement among us is that they allowed fractions because they realized that the Biblical argument for not taking blood was weak, and they may have had concerns about coming under attack for the loss of life that the doctrine was causing. But instead of just dropping the doctrine, which could have opened them up to massive lawsuits over lost lives in the past, they said that some parts of blood could now be transfused -- if a Witness' conscience allowed it! Since JWs have been programmed strongly to be repulsed by blood, that means some JWs would still turn down a transfusion even now.

  It's worth pointing out that this "conscience matter" line that they used for blood fractions was also used when the organ transplant ban was lifted. Back then in 1980, long before the current GB, there was a similar refusal to acknowledge that they had caused needless deaths, and a similar refusal to admit that there was nothing in the Bible forbidding organ transplants. Instead of saying, "It's actually totally okay to get a transplant", they weaseled out of the need to admit fault by saying that transplants were now a conscience matter!

  One could say that these three examples demonstrate a lack of sincerity, but there's still an alternative way to look at this, which is that the enormity of the mistakes over blood transfusions and organ transplants were too great for the leadership to contemplate. It's a well-known psychological response to shift the blame away from oneself when one seems to be responsible for something really bad. On top of that, when it was previous leadership that was responsible for instituting the policy, it's easier for the subsequent leaders to shirk the need to apologize since "it's not our mistake".

  However, at the very least, this attitude indicates a lot of pride, or in fact I would say hubris, at the organizational level. They are too full of themselves to be willing to lose face by admitting wrong. And that's not very Christian for a group of men who are supposed to be closer to Christ than all of us "other sheep".
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  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

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  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

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  You however choose to make it infinitely more complex by adding an infinitely powerful creator being to that picture.

  Do you become more complicated when you have a complex thought on your mind? So why does creator+creation have to be more complex than simply creator or creation?
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  Closing in on the Genetic background to Same Sex Attraction

  by fulltimestudent in

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  many christians keep insisting that homosexuality is a choice, and they are 'right' to insist on legal prohibitions (in spite of living in a pluralistic society).. they claim divine revelation as basis for these legal prohibitions.

  sadly for them, it does look their god is somewhat schizoid on this matter.. if yahweh is the source of sanctions against those who are sexually attracted to the same sex, then we would not expect any genetic indications for that attraction.

  if you think along those lines, the this report from the uk independent will interest you.. largest ever study into the gay gene 'erodes the notion that sexual orientation is a choice'.

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  LOL @ DATA-DOG.

  Unfortunately, proving that there's a genetic basis doesn't end the argument. The comparison that some fundies make is to alcoholism. "Sure, it can be based in genetics, but that doesn't preclude someone from fighting against it or mean that it's okay to give in to it. It's just one of many possible sinful tendencies that we might inherit through these imperfect genes of ours."

  However, the difference is that the sex drive is more or less the most basic instinct of all, and it cannot be suppressed or redirected by sheer willpower. Trying to do so will only damage a person.
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  JW with cart in front of White House today! It was 32 degrees!

  by GrreatTeacher in

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  well, then, if it was so cold, what was i doing there?

  i was on a field trip with a bunch of 8th graders.

  i volunteered to chaperone and i was in charge of seven 13 year old boys who demanded to see the white house since the bus dropped us off on the national mall and we had 2 hours to look at the war memorials before we had to be back on the bus.

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  Heh, I get what you mean. SS would have jumped on him if they thought he was a threat.
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  Is it really allowed for a JW to listen to radio or look at TV??

  by Mr Fool in

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  if almost every song, every radio host, every actor is influenced by satan it should be forbidden for every jw to listen to radio and look at tv, right?!

  or have i missed something?.

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  Nice, QB, I almost didn't get that.
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  Family Gathering ( or the day also known as Thanksgiving)

  by Theredeemer in

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  every year on a certain thursday in november my family and close witness friends would get together, eat menudo ( hispanic stew) and other foods, watch football and then get dressed to go to the meeting.. sister so and so would bring her famous pie, bro and sister so and so would bring their gross punch and bro and sis so and so would bring mexican sweet bread.

  sometimes we would go to "worldy" aunt's and pick up plates of turkey and fixins.. this was every year on a certain date, on a certain thursday in november.. this continued until my mom got alzheimers.

  by that time i was married and had my own house.

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  Exactly, BizzyBee, I came here to post the same thing, "but turkeys are on sale now!" Funny stuff.
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  JW with cart in front of White House today! It was 32 degrees!

  by GrreatTeacher in

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  well, then, if it was so cold, what was i doing there?

  i was on a field trip with a bunch of 8th graders.

  i volunteered to chaperone and i was in charge of seven 13 year old boys who demanded to see the white house since the bus dropped us off on the national mall and we had 2 hours to look at the war memorials before we had to be back on the bus.

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  So, let me get this straight, there was a guy with a suitcase publicly praying to Mecca and walking toward the White House, and you went towards him? Snipers on the roof were probably watching that guy through their scopes.

  I'm surprised any 13 year old would say that Watchtower is a publisher and not mention the JWs, I wonder where he came by that knowledge.