Apognophos

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  3 JWs injured whilst Cart Witnessing

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/25697590/three-injured-as-car-hits-park-bench/.

  an elderly driver crashed into a park bench in mandurah, western australia today where 3 jws were sitting.

  they had set up their jw cart and their literature was also strewn across the ground.. one of the jws was seriously injured with head injuries.. what a freak accident this is.. .

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  I grant you that the picture does seem to send that message. It's at odds with what I read in the literature growing up, though.
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  Finally Gave My First Anti-Witness After 11 Years

  by new light in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello one and all.. the local jws had a booth set up at my university today and something just came over me.

  i went to a computer, found a list of failed prophecies, printed and stapled it, and walked over to the middle aged woman and the 10-ish years old girl.

  the woman said "if you are interested in anything, take it for free.

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  It was nice that you tried, but I'm sure the list was thrown out as soon as you turned your back. That's what JWs do with apostate literature, remember?
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  3 JWs injured whilst Cart Witnessing

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/25697590/three-injured-as-car-hits-park-bench/.

  an elderly driver crashed into a park bench in mandurah, western australia today where 3 jws were sitting.

  they had set up their jw cart and their literature was also strewn across the ground.. one of the jws was seriously injured with head injuries.. what a freak accident this is.. .

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  Apognophos

  I don't even know what any of you are talking about in the first place because Witnesses aren't supposed to believe that they have angelic protection in their everyday life. Did none of you pay attention at the meetings when the subject was discussed and the example of Job's trials was applied?
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  Samuel Herd misogyny ... Does anyone know the background of this video?

  by Letts Party in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqzc2m8_mba.

  samuel herd saying things i never thought possible from a gb member.. does anyone know the background?

  who was this talk directed to?

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  Yeah, it's good to confirm these things. We had a couple threads about this before, but besides the hearsay that it was Herd and it was from the '70s, I didn't see any real proof. I'm not even sure how one would confirm this, unless someone remembers hearing him give it.
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  Are Jehovah's Witnesses Psycopaths?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been thinking that jws display an organizationally officially promoted form of thinking that makes them psycopaths!.

  what i mean is, any person who enjoyed reading and leaning about past gruesome deaths, or who justified such things as being normal or acceptable would be deemed to be dangerous to society...a psychopath.

  (by this i am refferring to the content of the bible of course).

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  I support the suggestion that the organization produces sociopathic behavior in certain areas of life. It's not just the corporate-like environment which can cause this; when Witnesses are made to feel detached from worldly people, it enhances the "not my problem" effect when they see something like a person in distress and in need of help.
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  Why isn't the story of SAMPSON quickly and clearly regarded a myth?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  judges chapter 15:.

  14 when he came to lehi, the philistines shouted triumphantly at meeting him.

  then jehovahs spirit empowered him,+ and the ropes on his arms became like linen threads that were scorched with fire, and his fetters melted off his hands.+ 15 he now found a fresh jawbone of a male donkey; he reached out and grabbed it and struck down 1,000 men with it.+ 16 then samson said: with the jawbone of a donkeyone heap, two heaps!

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  I'll have to go back and read the account. From memory, Samson did not consciously agree, choose, decide to have his hair cut.

  Yes, but the "moral" was the fact that he had told Delilah about the secret of his strength in the first place. His downfall was allowing himself to be seduced. Obviously the guy was pretty dumb since Delilah had already betrayed him, what, twice?
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  Samuel Herd misogyny ... Does anyone know the background of this video?

  by Letts Party in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqzc2m8_mba.

  samuel herd saying things i never thought possible from a gb member.. does anyone know the background?

  who was this talk directed to?

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  All I know about the talk is that it's supposedly from the '70s, long before he was on the GB. I wonder if he was married yet at the time.
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  Why isn't the story of SAMPSON quickly and clearly regarded a myth?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  judges chapter 15:.

  14 when he came to lehi, the philistines shouted triumphantly at meeting him.

  then jehovahs spirit empowered him,+ and the ropes on his arms became like linen threads that were scorched with fire, and his fetters melted off his hands.+ 15 he now found a fresh jawbone of a male donkey; he reached out and grabbed it and struck down 1,000 men with it.+ 16 then samson said: with the jawbone of a donkeyone heap, two heaps!

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  It's hard for me to understand most of the objections in this thread. Obviously the Witness teaching is that his strength came from God, on the condition that he didn't cut his hair. That was the one thing he had to do to show his loyalty, and he screwed it up.

  I did always feel that the account stuck out from the rest of the Bible, but supposedly the larger purpose of the Samson account was to represent "power", as one of God's cardinal attributes, so it made more sense that only one of God's servants would be given super-strength in the whole Bible.
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  Is God an atheist ?

  by coalize in

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  yes, god says all the time in the bible that it's no god upon him.. technically, doesn't that mean he's an atheist?.

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  Have you seen this video? In it, God is in fact an atheist... until...

  (strong language warning)

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODetOE6cbbc
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  Did you expect all non-Witnesses to die at Armageddon?

  by Apognophos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  apologies if this has been asked before, but i couldn't find a thread where the focus was specifically this yes-or-no question.

  reach back in your memories to when you were at the peak of your faith in the religion, and tell me honestly:.

  "did you, personally, believe that non-witnesses would die at armageddon, even if they hadn't gotten to hear the message at all?".

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  I wanted to wait before giving my own answer, just to keep my OP more neutral, but I was in the same boat as you, Phizzy. I didn't believe that the God I worshipped was one who would destroy all those reasonably good people. The adult JWs I grew up around would sometimes say about a teaching, "Well, maybe there'll be some new light on that some day" as code for "We agree this doesn't make sense so let's assume that God will fix it in due time and just focus on the beliefs that we do agree with". So I figured this was one of those teachings that would probably be subject to "new light" eventually and didn't think much about it.