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Apognophos
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As a JW Did You Often Feel "Guilty" About Something?
by minimus inif muslim is supposed to be the religion of peace, jehovah's witnesses has to be the religion of guilt..
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I am going to pioneer after the holidays!
by snakeface inyes, you heard right.. as you know, most christian organizations publish and distribute little tracts with their gospel message.
well they also make some that expose the lies of the wt, and explain how it is a cult.
even if people are not interested in the "gospel message" in these tracts, the tracts do a good job exposing the wt as a cult.. now, those of you who are now agnostic or athiests or just non-religious, please keep reading, to understand what i plan to do.... i am expecting to receive $$ for christmas.
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Apognophos
stuckinarut2, that makes me think that someone should set up a cart with all the literature from the Rutherford era and start hawking it like a carnival barker: "Jehovah the Almighty God lives in the Pleiades! Yes, that's right, the constellation! His throne is up there! Come learn more! Did you know that the world will end during World War II? It's true! Read it right here!"
When the Witnesses object, just say loudly in front of everyone that you're trying to help out by offering some of the older literature that they don't carry anymore.
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Can anyone tell me any narrative of having successfully avoided Baptism while being raised JW?
by SonoftheTrinity ini just worry for my stepkids about their future that way..
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Apognophos
Honestly, I'm always hesitant to recommend a kid compare himself to Jesus while all the kids around him are getting baptized no older than 18 (it's likely to cause the JW to think, "Who do you think you are? You're some special case not like the rest of us?"). I like Terry's suggestion the best.
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CREATIVE "DAYS" - What do JWs believe?
by Bloody Hotdogs! ina few weeks ago, i asked you to critique my website article on dinosaurs (http://www.jwbeliefs.com/what-do-jehovahs-witnesses-believe-about-dinosaurs/).
it was pointed out that much of what i wrote depends on the creative "days" being relatively short - something i believe jws teach.. after being prompted to review my conclusions/research, i was more convinced than ever that jws promote relatively short creative days.
the nail in the coffin was the teaching that day seven is indicative of the length of the other six days (i.e.
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Hotdogs: Yes, that sounds pretty correct. As close as we will come to agreeing, anyway :-) You can certainly acknowledge the ambiguity and say on your site that the teaching *was* 7,000 years per day at one time, and that they have maintained the "thousands" remark for a while now rather than confirm or deny the 7,000-years-per-day teaching.
When it comes to the final day, however, I am pretty sure that the Society still thinks day 7 is precisely 7,000 years and that the delay in creating Eve (and thus ending day 6) is simply much more than Franz thought. After all, why would the day be something like 7,040 years or 7,235? The Society wants to believe it's precisely 7,000 because it's a nice round, Biblical number and because it means the end is coming any time now.
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Mormons getting hollowed out: The tipping point has occurred.
by Qcmbr inever since mitt romney turned the spotlight on the lds church a growing tsunami of disaffection has been accelerated and brought to a head.. the lds core faithful members are leaving in increasing numbers such that growth has not simply stagnated in the west but it has actively reversed.
to their credit the church is responding aggressively but not only is it too late, it is an impossible task.
you can only paint sh*t so many ways.
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OEJ, interesting anecdote. I too remember when those attendance numbers would have been unacceptable. I'll have to listen for our numbers next time the CO comes here.
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The Superior Qualities of Ancient Roman Concrete
by fulltimestudent inthese concrete walls in trajan's markets in rome are nearly 2000 years old and survived a major earthquake in 1349 ce.. .
caption: the concrete walls of trajan's markets in rome have stood the test of time and the elements for nearly 2,000 years.
they have even survived a major earthquake in 1349.. credit: photo courtesy of marie jackson, berkeley.
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Apognophos
The Pantheon is another long-standing tribute to Roman ingenuity and Roman concrete. Its dome is still the largest unreinforced concrete dome in history.
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When you Create your own Bible, it is Much easier to convince of your Lies.
by objectivetruth inthe word in question is the hebrew word mishneh meaning "a double, copy, second" (http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/4932.htm) this word is a very specific word, which implies a double portion, or twice as much.. it is numerical and precise.. the new world translation translates this word as double in the below 2 scriptures :.
isaiah 61:7 "instead of shame you will have a double portion, and instead of humiliation they will shout joyfully over their share.yes, they will possess a double (mishneh) portion in their land.
everlasting rejoicing will be theirs.
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Perhaps it's the lack of sleep, but I'm not sure I get your point, objectivetruth. You're objecting to the translation of Jer. 16:18, aren't you? But then you quote the Society's take on Isaiah's double portion. This is based on a correctly-translated scripture in Isa. 61:7, is it not? I'm not clear on the reason you're giving for the Society translating "mishneh" as "full" in Jeremiah, since you go on to talk about the Society's belief about the "double portion".
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Goodbye JWD/JWN (my last post)
by slimboyfat inafter some considerable thought i have decided that i will no longer post on this forum because i want to return to jehovah.
thank you for all the kindness and many interesting discussions over the years.
i wish you all well in the future and the decisions you make.
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Apognophos
The best thing we can do for sbf is stop talking about whether he's still here or not. This thread should be closed, in my not-so-humble opinion.
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Should I attend Kingdom Hall meetings to discreetly "preach"?
by CrytoJesus inchristians, should i attend kingdom hall meetings to discreetly "preach" to jws about the real jesus and the lies of the watchtower?.
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i plan to go undercover and plant seeds into them.. .
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As never a jw stated, people on here tend to exaggerate the negatives about the Witnesses. If the religion had worked well for them, they'd still be in it. So you're looking at a lot of damaged, angry people here. That being said, you'll encounter more of the so-called "programming" as you eventually get into more in-depth discussions with JWs. Look for that moment when they stop being interested in discussing facts and fall back to "knowing it's the truth".
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How can I ever leave this cult?
by Julia Orwell ini've been out nearly two years but it's not out of me.
i am on school holidays now til february so i thought without work to worry about i can come off my medication.
i phased it slowly, starting in early november to avoid the physical side effects of coming down.
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It sounds to me like your problems do not directly have to do with the religion. I say this simply because most ex-JWs do not have this much trouble moving on. If you were never a Witness, you would not be fixated on your Witness past but on a past marriage, etc. That being said, I'm not sure it's healthy for you to keep living in the same place. Perhaps you need to move to where you don't know any JWs? I think you need to break out of the box of your old memories and start forming new ones, which may require drastic life changes.