I agree with BluesBrother. It's most important to judge the organization by its leadership, the teachings they claim are guided by the holy spirit, and the values they emphasize (like obedience over love). My home congregation was very healthy and happy (as far as I could tell) and I was never given any cause for stumbling (well, maybe once). Thus, I tend not to find "problem" congregations a good reason for leaving the religion.
Apognophos
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Don't Blame the Organization for Imperfect Humans
by ranmac ini think everyone here has heard this as a response to questioning or serious concerns about the religion.
i think its a cowardly retort.
a flimsy cop-out.
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To believers: Is Blasphemy really the Unforgivable sin?
by cantleave inmark 3:29 seems to indicate that this is so.. so please theists explain what is meant by this scripture?
is god really that petty?
do you believe that blasphemy is a greater sin than murder or paedophilia (which isn't even mentioned as a sin) or genocide?.
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Apognophos
Thanks for the quote, Bobcat, I've often wondered about that scripture.
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Internment Reeducation Camps in the US - Army document leaked
by Infowarrior inhttp://info.publicintelligence.net/usarmy-internmentresettlement.pdf.
fm 3-39.40 internment and resettlement operations.
the manual lists the following roles that are designated to the psyop team.. - identifies malcontents, trained agitators, and political leaders within the facility who may try to organize resistance or create disturbances.. - develops and executes indoctrination programs to reduce or remove antagonistic attitudes.. - identifies political activists.. - provides loudspeaker support (such as administrative announcements and facility instructions when necessary).. - helps the military police commander control detainee and dc populations during emergencies.. - plans and executes a psyop program that produces an understanding and appreciation of u.s. policies and actions.. .
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Apognophos
Or maybe everyone who commented on this thread had their posts deleted by PSYOPS hackers and got deported to a FEMA detention camp. Nice try sussing out the people who are onto the government's plans, you plant. *door bursts open* What?! No, not me, I was just saying-- ahhhhhhdf5zxcg
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What is your religious belief now?
by jwfacts ini have a new poll at jwfacts.mobi/pollsarchive/ as i am very interested to see what people have moved on to believe.
as this is considered sensitive by some, you can answer anonymously at the jwfacts.mobi/pollsarchive/, or answer on this thread.
this is what i have created in the list, but feel free to add comments, corrections, or options i have missed.. .
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Apognophos
A man is accepted into church for what he believes—and turned out for what he knows.
Surprisingly, Clemens (Mark Twain) did say that.
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Flipping out at the meeting
by BU2B inunfortunatley, i still go to many meetings as i am working on getting my wife to wake up.
for the most part i maintain my composure but there have been two or three times when i actually have gotten so upset and the frustration built so high that i have come very come close to actually slamming something down or pounding the table in the literature room, or shouting out how i felt!
has anyone else felt this way?
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Apognophos
It's hard to flip out properly without a table you can flip before storming out. Even a little one in front of your seat would be helpful. Otherwise, for all anyone knows, you just have a case of the runs.
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First mention of "new light" may appear in July 15, 2013 Watchtower
by cedars ina trusted source informs me that the "new light" about the faithful slave is to make its first printed appearance in the july 15th watchtower, which should be available for download online three weeks from now, on around april 15th.. i'm led to believe that the references to the new understanding are made in such a manner as to suggest the "new light" isn't that new at all, which suggests to me that little or no effort is being made to explain the doctrinal connotations.
my source and i are hoping to get a key paragraph posted at the earliest opportunity.
watch this space!.
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Yes, Russell has well and truly been put out to pasture. Now he's just a weird old guy with a beard who founded the Society and passed it on to Rutherford so it could be appointed as God's chosen organization. Just a warm-up for the main act, I guess.
As you can see, there is little or no elaboration from what was announced at the Annual Meeting. If all of the material is like this, then it might as well have been lifted directly from the notes that were used on the platform in October.
You're assuming there IS other material! I wouldn't assume that... I have a strong feeling that this is it.
It will be interesting to see whether any other parts of the article attempt to explain, for example, how a "Slave" that was chosen in 1919 is still being chosen on an ongoing basis as previous members of the Board of Directors / Governing Body die off (or resign!). They really SHOULD try to explain this for the new teaching to have any sort of credibility, but I won't be holding my breath.
Are you familiar with the expression, "Not with a bang but a whimper"? A few conductors will draw attention to the new light, but for the most part people will be yawning while this paragraph is considered and not notice anything. Out of the few who notice, no one will be looking for a deeper explanation. It is what it is. The Society knows that it's best not to draw attention to this particular shift in doctrine since they can slip it by. Why arouse people's curiosity if you don't have to?
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Shocking Email from a Dear Friend who is No Longer a JW
by rubadubdub ini received this email tonight from a dear, dear friend who i believed had died.
she was in very bad shape when i last spoke with her over a year ago.. "i'll make this short in case it is not functioning.
besides i'm not sure whether it is alright for you to read it or not.
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Apognophos
Yes, The Quiet One has a good point, you never know who else might have their nose in your friend's email.
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My Inbox Runneth Over: Is this My Memorial Invite from a Former Pioneer? LOL!
by rubadubdub ini am just laughing hysterically.
when i saw i had an email from an active jw this morning, my first thought was, "oh, no here it comes!
" i was expecting a memorial pitch.
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Apognophos
For those who don't want to click the link... it goes to some spammy site about dieting. Why post a spam link on the forum, though?
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Why Did Jesus Address His Apostles As A Little Flock?
by wannabe in" [luke 12:32].
"[ephesians 2:19-22] so, from that we see, that it was only the twelve apostles that jesus referred to as a little flock, as it says about other members of the heavenly calling; 'you too have been built upon the foundation of the apostles, and prophets... together into a place for god to inhabit by spirit.
' [luke 22:28-30].
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Apognophos
So, to recap, the "little flock" is either:
A. One hundred and forty-four thousand individuals (which we agree it's not);
B. Jesus' apostles, the pillars of spiritual Israel;
C. Jesus' disciples, as opposed to interested ones;
D. Jesus' Jewish followers, as opposed to Gentiles;
E. A lot of short people (courtesy of GromitSK).
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The World is going to end...
by The Quiet One in..one day, as will our lives.
any day could be the last day of our existence... with that in mind, how would you want to spend your final hours, if you knew that your life was going to end tomorrow?
what would you like to say on that last day, and to whom?.
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Apognophos
Ha, sprintcmp, we have kindred avatars as well as spirits! This is turning into an assembly of people-cats.