Not to rain on the parade, but I have to agree with BackseatDevil. When I saw movies like "The Truman Show" and "The Matrix" as a Witness (whoops, I was a bit naughty), they didn't "make me think". If anything, as BD indicated, the movies will just represent the rest of the world. They're the ones with the wool pulled over their eyes, to a JW. The evolutionists and the believers in Babylon the Great and all the rest are the victims of a grand conspiracy by Satan. It's already a Matrix-like world that the Witness lives in on a daily basis.
Apognophos
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a list of good movies/tv shows to get a JW to think
by nonjwspouse inones that have themes that come uncomfortabllly close to the cult dynamic.. i already got him to watch the obsolete man on twilight zone.
he sauggested watching some old tz again tonight so i wioll pick where is everybody, and escape clause.. i have heard oters say the movie truman show was a good movie as is the matrix ( though i detest violence).
any more suggestions for my personal handy dandy list?.
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Stands For True Worship. I am turning myself in......
by DATA-DOG injust answer this question in an honest and unbiased way, free from any circuitous reasoning or speculation.
if you do so, i swear to my heavenly father, that i will call the elders tonight and turn myself in.
any active jw may answer this question.
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Apognophos
Heh. Of course that OD blurb is old light. Now it should say "First and foremost, Jesus has appointed them over the domestics, and we assume they'll be appointed over all his belongings in the future."
I see now that I made a typo in my last post which made one part unintelligible. Where I said:
and brought themselves in with someone else's teaching
I meant to say "and brought themselves in line with someone else's teaching", or in other words, "when they agreed that they were mistaken and corrected their viewpoint", it was for the reasons I mentioned above.
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Marriage In The New World
by Cold Steel inokay, here's the issue.
some people, even some jws, believe that in the new world they will be reunited with their spouses.
jesus, however, said that in the resurrection there would be no marriage or giving in marriage.
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Yes, Judas was called the “son of perdition,” but even he will be resurrected because both the righteous and the wicked are resurrected.
See, here's where the Witnesses get weird. They see three groups in the Bible, following the words used in the translation(s) they read: the "righteous", the "unrighteous", and the "wicked". The wicked (they believe) will not get a resurrection. The unrighteous will, based on the scripture about "the righteous and the unrighteous". So, in fact there are a whole bunch of people that JWs don't believe will be resurrected, but in most cases the Society is not willing to go out on a limb and pronounce Biblical characters as wicked; I only listed the three specific examples that I remember the Society being most clear on (the Society has at times thrown other people into the "wicked" category, such as with their famous flip-flop on Sodom and Gomorrah, where half of the time they believe that they were wicked and will not be resurrected because God destroyed them, and the other half of the time they think those people will be brought back to have a second chance in the 1000 Year Reign).
As I indicated before, regardless of whatever veneration might be given to Adam and Eve in non-canonical writings, as far as the Society is concerned, they're the lowest of the low; they were perfect and yet they chose to rebel against God. That puts them in the same boat as Satan. Judas is also unforgiveable because he sinned against the holy spirit in the biggest way imaginable. Personally, I no longer have faith in the Bible as God's Word, but I will admit that I thought this stance was logical from a Biblical standpoint. It's only recently that I'm wondering if the distinction between unrighteous and wicked is actually found in the scriptures and makes sense.
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"Jehovah's visible organization can use you, but can get along without you" Quote Watchtower
by Watchtower-Free incan't you just feel the love of the org.. .
*** watchtower 50 1/15 p. 26 par.
22 who will share in the final witness?
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Apognophos
As I've said before, the most cultish, cold-hearted quotes I've seen in the literature all come from the 1950s. Not exactly sure why that is.
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Stands For True Worship. I am turning myself in......
by DATA-DOG injust answer this question in an honest and unbiased way, free from any circuitous reasoning or speculation.
if you do so, i swear to my heavenly father, that i will call the elders tonight and turn myself in.
any active jw may answer this question.
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Apognophos
So even though the Bible was written 200 years ago and as Jehovah's word is absolutely unquestionably true and has not changed - the spirit-directed understandings of the WBTS, which are presented as absolutely true such that anyone who does not accept them is an apostate, they are in fact only relatively true, if such a concept exists, and change every few years.
I think Frazzled UBM's words above are a good succinct response to SFPW's assertion that many servants of God in the past didn't have the whole or perfect truth either. Yes, that is true, and John the Baptist and the apostles are good examples. But notice that (1) Jesus did not shun them for being wrong on some points; he simply gently corrected them and tolerated their inadequacies, and (2) when people did have slightly "apostate" views, and brought themselves in with someone else's teaching, it was because they could be certain that they were following the authority of a true man of God. For instance, the apostles didn't always understand Jesus, but they followed him anyway, NOT because he told them he was the son of God and thus had to be obeyed, but because they saw him perform miracles and show superhuman wisdom.
What does the Governing Body provide as a basis for believing that they hear anything from God or Jesus or the holy spirit at all? They don't perform miracles. They don't foretell the future. Their teachings are often embarrassingly foolish, not wise (organ transplants are cannibalism in 1967, then suddenly they're not 13 years later because, as they explain in 1980, taking an organ into the body as a replacement is not the same as eating it... hmm, what other extant ban does this remind me of?). In short, they provide no reason to believe the claim that they are God's chosen representative as a group.
Most important of all, they massively fail the #1 test, which is that Christ's followers must have love among themselves. Whatever love JWs show towards each other is no more remarkable than the love any marginalized group shows to its own members. There's nothing special about the JWs. As mentioned by others, what is unique to the JWs is not true, and what is true is not unique.
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Old Rutherford vinyl records...
by Sam87 inmy mother found some old jw records a couple of months ago, they apparently were what the dubs used to use when they were witnessing, theyd go out with a record player and play these records to people to preach to them.. just wondering if anyone else has any of these?
im guessing theres probly not that many of them around, i think i have about 6 or so of them and they are quite old, (im at work at the moment so i cant really tell you any more about them) i was thinking that i mite sell them on ebay, maybe ill get a bit of cash for them.. .
sam87..
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Why not two or three smaller ZIPs on sendspace???
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Jesus sacrifice and animal sacrifice contradiction
by trackregister99 inromans 3:25 says that jesus sacrifice was applied to the past for sins forgives.. then why god request animals sacrifice like "shadow of the good things to come" (hebrews 10:1) if the jesus sacrifice forgive sins to the past.. the animal blood not have none value, because jesus sacrifice was applied to the past.. why sacrificies for forgive of sins was requested by god if romans 3:25 says that jesus forgive the sins to the past?..
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adamah, not that I disagree with you, but if the writer of Job didn't believe in a resurrection, what about the verses where Job asks if an able-bodied man can live again, then says he wants God to conceal him in the grave, and that after serving his time he will be released?
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Marriage In The New World
by Cold Steel inokay, here's the issue.
some people, even some jws, believe that in the new world they will be reunited with their spouses.
jesus, however, said that in the resurrection there would be no marriage or giving in marriage.
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Apognophos
To build on my comment on page 1, about how I thought that the scripture about "being as angels" meant that existing marriages would be annulled going into the new system -- once I learned that this was not the JW interpretation, that those marriages would remain in place in the new system, I was terrified of the implication.
You mean I have to pick someone NOW, as an imperfect person, who I want to live with FOREVER? I could see examples all around me of Witnesses who seemed to have chosen wrong even for the short term, and who could predict what the marriage would be like 500 or 10,000 years in the future? I decided that there was no way to make an informed, wise choice while imperfect, therefore I could not get married until the new system came around.
It's funny how these sort of absolutist concepts like infinite life and perfection can lead one to bizarre conclusions.
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Did Jehovah's Witnesses Plagiarize HWA's False Prophecy Of 1975?
by Bangalore indid jehovah's witnesses plagiarize hwa's false prophecy of 1975?.
http://livingarmstrongism.blogspot.com/2013/10/did-jehovahs-witnesses-plagiarize-hwas.html.
bangalore.
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Apognophos
A date in the mid 1970s was talked about among Witnesses in the late 1940s. Marcus Bach mentions this in one of his books, and I certainly remember it. The book New Heavens and New Earth (1953) had a chart in the back that furthered the discussion. As I recall there was a similar table in one of the 1954 Watchtowers.
Wow, I hadn't heard this. I thought no one was talking about 1975 until the '60s.
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Watchtower Eliminated the "Evil Slave Class" according to E-Watchman? True or False?
by AuntConnie inlooking for information to make the july 15th, 2013 watchtower make sense, i came across the e-watchman website.
is he a jehovah's witnesses waiting for the reformation or a apostate like all of us on jwn?.
his post on the "faithful and evil slave" is very enlightening, according to his question he received from his readers, the watchtower said "there is no evil slave class" to eliminate fear the evil slave is working at bethel!.
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The GB simply say the evil slave class doesn't exist due to the word "if"...its a hypothetical slave class....
Interesting arguement considering it says "Ifthe master arrives"...
Um, first of all, no it doesn't. Second of all, you have to read the whole sentence. "Happy is that slave if the master on arriving finds him doing so." The "if" refers to whether the master finds him doing what he assigned him to do. In fact, it further proves that the "evil slave" in the following verse is the same as the faithful slave. "If" the slave is faithful, "if" he is evil -- Jesus is covering both possibilities in how the slave will respond to his assignment.