Apognophos

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  Why Do Atheists Struggle So Much Against God Who Supposedly Doesn't Exist?

  by Perry in

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  an athist made this casual statememt on another thread:.

  this would suggest to me that there are at least some atheists that do have consistant beliefs.. .

  as an atheist, how could he possibly trust the reason that suggests this to himself?

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  Apognophos

  Twitch will have to answer for himself, but my personal answer to your questions, JWIQ, would be that they left because they were tired of getting jumped on every time they expressed their faith in any general, non-argumentative manner. The only way to get a bigger rise out of the members here is to post as a Watchtower apologist.

  The reason why people are so quick to claim Perry won't be back is because he does this all the time. Folks like Perry and QC only come here to post-and-run because they have given up on the faithless heathens here and are only looking to influence anyone who might be on the fence and can still be saved. In all fairness, it takes a while to have a debate, and not all of us have that time (I spend more time here than I should). And certain posters here have no objective other than to wear down the person they are debating.
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  I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody

  by Terry in

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  i'm at starbucks .

  just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.

  my hands are shaking.. wow!.

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  I don't see any reason why this kid can't seek out a new religion after fully grasping TTATT. I don't think he needs to be physically pushed towards a church in order to have that as an option in his life. I would only be concerned if Terry were insisting that, as a necessary part of TTATT, he also adopt an atheistic stance. Ultimately if this guy has a religious leaning, I think he will find a new faith for himself.
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  Governing Body new Branch letter begging for donations !

  by ToesUp in

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  i just want the governing body to know how "happified" i am today.

  keep sending those branch letters to the congregation(s) about sending your donations in.

  not only did you humiliate the rank and file with your tony morris tight pants talk but now you are begging the same people you humiliated for money.

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  Heh, I think you're over-thinking it, committeechairman. They're just drawing attention to all the building work being done and hinting that contributions will be needed for it. It has to be phrased in an indirect manner because they refuse to outright ask for money, lest the ghost of C.T. Russell come back to haunt them with his words about soliciting funds.

  I appreciate your point about the the foolishness of ceasing the use of people's homes for meetings. But there's nothing stopping them from re-instituting it if they see a need. I've been saying for a while that it's impossible for the religion to actually go belly-up because, even if they could not afford to rent or build facilities some day, they could just go "hardcore first century" and hold all meetings in private homes. Certainly, though, that doesn't seem to be the direction they're going. With all the investments in Kingdom Halls, particularly wiring them for streaming video broadcasts, they are committing further to long-term use of the KHs.
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  wt March 1, 2015 Cover

  by wifibandit in

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  Ha, funny. But yes, these heads are not all painted in the same style, in the same light, and do not seem to be standing on the same ground at the same angle. It's disconcerting to look at. I wonder if we can find all these faces in prior publications.
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  LDC Semininar

  by Sour Grapes in

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  ldc semininar @ patterson nov 15-18, 2014 .

  entire ldc dept included remote workers/design/legal/real estate/purchasing.

  oversight.

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  ''Hey Tony - you still got all your Warwicks in the Turks and Caicos?''

  I could see that becoming rap slang. "It's all about the Warwicks."
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  wt March 1, 2015 Cover

  by wifibandit in

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  It looks like a collage of heads from different paintings.
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  Should I attend Kingdom Hall meetings to discreetly "preach"?

  by CrytoJesus in

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  christians, should i attend kingdom hall meetings to discreetly "preach" to jws about the real jesus and the lies of the watchtower?.

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  i plan to go undercover and plant seeds into them.. .

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  It's pointless to argue with someone who has had a personal experience that convinced them to have faith.
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  Governing Body new Branch letter begging for donations !

  by ToesUp in

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  i just want the governing body to know how "happified" i am today.

  keep sending those branch letters to the congregation(s) about sending your donations in.

  not only did you humiliate the rank and file with your tony morris tight pants talk but now you are begging the same people you humiliated for money.

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  Isrealite men gave gifts, in proportion to the blessing the Jehovah had given him.

  Translation: "The more money you give the bigger the blessing Jehovah will give you?" Unbelieveable!

  You just reversed the statement. The statement was that the more someone had (due to Jehovah's blessing), the more they gave. So the message is that Witnesses with more should give more.
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  What's with this "no windows in kingdom halls" thing?

  by Trapped in JW land in

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  i hear many people on this forum say that kh's don't have windows.

  but i have never been to one that didn't have windows.

  is this only in a certain area or something?.

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  Apognophos

  I don't know, Trapped, I find it very tiresome when people say this. I've only been in congregations where the Halls had windows.
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  Why Do Atheists Struggle So Much Against God Who Supposedly Doesn't Exist?

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  an athist made this casual statememt on another thread:.

  this would suggest to me that there are at least some atheists that do have consistant beliefs.. .

  as an atheist, how could he possibly trust the reason that suggests this to himself?

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  Apognophos

  I would suggest that atheists are not struggling against God but against the tendency of man to believe in God. If you've ever found an aspect of mankind to just be totally unpalatable -- say, you're fed up with people being greedy, or ignorant of politics, or you disagree with an accepted cultural practice like drinking alcohol or eating meat -- then you know what it's like to feel that you need to protest the status quo.

  "Angry" atheists are generally people who hate the tendency of man to believe in something he was taught by his parents, who were taught it by their parents, etc. They refuse to accept that people should be allowed to be so gullible. They see religion as the cause of many of man's problems and want to make it go away as soon as possible.

  None of this has to do with any one particular conception of God and it does not require the atheist to believe in any such God, only to believe that other people believe in him/her/it.