Posts by DeWandelaar

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Does This Happen to You? I Need Help :/

by DarioKehl in

hey guys.... i have a few important questions for everyone.

this applies to doubters, faders, inactive, dfed or seasoned apostates.

first, let me set it up:.

DeWandelaar

I am in that process also...however... I am totally honest to anyone, my wife, my kids and my family know about my thoughts and the fact that I rather be DF'ed yesterday then today. I had a chat with two elders but for now there is no juidicial commitee or whatever coming (as far as I know). For me it doesn't matter... the only reason I am in "fade-mode" is because of making the live of my family a bit easier... for SOME family it doesn't matter either. They do not want to see me at their wedding (2 weddings next year).

That is the sacrifice I have to make for being honest (as honest as I can be without hurting others too much). It is my faith in Christ that is the reason and the only thing I can think is that I am joyfull about it. If I did something entirely wrong I would have been heartbroken maybe... but I am not.

In my humble opinion there is never ever a better way of handling things then by telling the truth (in a calm and lovable manner). Why? I can not live with myself while living in a lie... so it is better to tell people that and at the same time show them love and tender kindness... it is not their fault you or I believe what we are believing... neither is it our fault that they stay in a faith in which they believe. That is called "respect" for the faith of someone. I know JW in general do not show that respect because it is not in their system. They make fools of someone's believe and are arrogant because they know the truth. Well... that can't be correct can it? But you and I can show differently by showing respect and love to everyone. That is the way Christ did it... and so should we live as well.

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A terrible Illustrstion

by BU2B in

jw
friends

for a little background, my father served at brooklyn bethel a couple of years after the apostate purge and witchhunt.. he talks about how people said how you could see "jehovahs spirit" working to oust the korah dathan and abiram, hymanaus and alexander influences such a evil ray franz and others.

they make it seem like he was leaving to start his own religion or something.

anyways he was talking to a couple who were friends with another couple who went apostate.

DeWandelaar

By stating that they had influences of Korah and the others they place themselves in the seat of Christ Jesus.

The elders and others told me about Korah and Moses and I told them simply that these comparisons can never be made simply because Moses was a "symbol" of Christ Jesus and not of a Organisation of Men. So... they misuse a illustration to elevate themselves above men!

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A Different View of "Peace and Security"

by Bobcat in

since the wt this week has the prediction of a "peace and security" event, i thought i would include a comment from the new american commentary (nac, d. michael martin, pp.159-60) on 1 thessalonians 5:2, 3.. here is the wt's position, according to this week's wt study (sep 2012 study edition, pp.3 4):.

1 th 5:2, 3 is a "future development.".

it happens "just before that day of jehovah.".

DeWandelaar

I think that the peace and security thing was cried out in 66 AD when the Zealots got the Roman's out and from the city... but they came back so fast (probably within a couple of weeks) that everyone who thought they were save and protected and in peace suddenly where "trapped".

It is a very simple but also very logical explanation in that time spirit :)

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Scriptural Justification For "New Light"

by What Now? in

(i have wanted to ask this for a long time but i can never post from my phone and rarely get a chance to sit at the computer).

just wondering ... what is the actual scriptural justification the governing body is using with regards to this new light of only them being the faithful and discreet slave?.

ie - are they saying something like "based on this original greek word that jesus used", or "when compared with this other scripture", or something along those lines?.

DeWandelaar

I simply say the following lately:

How many times did Daniel, Ezechiel and Revelations change... how many times did the law of mozes change or Genesis... it didn't! So why does the lecture changes every time?

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Email from my grandmother yesterday.

by elder-schmelder in

here is an email that my grandmother sent me yesterday.. .

shawn, it's very difficult & sad to come to this decision, but because of your attitude towards the truth & us personally (thinking that we are stupid) we're going to treat you as a disfellowshipped person from now on.

actually, you're worse than them because usually they know they have not kept their oath to jehovah & don't speak abusively of the organization and don't turn apostate.

DeWandelaar

99.99999% to good causes? that means she is not absolutely sure that ALL her money will be well spend :)

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Jehovah's Witnesses DO NOT break up families

by irondork in

jehovah's witnesses do not break up families.

members who refuse to become or remain jehovah's witnesses... break up families.. really, you apostates have such a distorted perception of reality.. .

.

DeWandelaar

Ever heard that a medal has two sides?

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Teenage son's last WT comment. Major sphincter puckering on my part.

by Open mind in

i thought maybe some of us might enjoy something light-hearted to start the week off.

at dinner last night my teenage son reminded me of the last kh meeting he attended with me about a year ago.

he is a big fan of christopher hitchins and self-identifies as an atheist.

DeWandelaar

WHAHAHA!!!

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I hope you die...

by WatchTowerofBabel in

jw
friends

i'm curious.

(true in both senses).

when i was a child i used to hope celebrities i liked (or wanted to boink) died before armageddon.

DeWandelaar

It seemed unfair to me that people who lived bad lives were given a "backdoor" to a better place... I think that God takes notice of our lives at this very moment and that we will also be judged over this live as well... or else it would totally not make any sense to keep living in this world would it? ...

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Breaking up the works of the Devil

by irondork in

1 john 4:8. .

on the topic of forgiveness, i remember hearing about a situation where a man molested his own son for many years.

the victim could not forgive.

DeWandelaar

In my opinion forgiveness is a state of mind... If you forgive someone for what he has done it does not mean you have to be in a nice relationship with that person anymore. For example: if you are married and someone commits adultery you may forgive the person the deed but still part ways... it seems to contradict but actually it doesn't. The divorce may come because of that deed... but you still can forgive the person that committed it.

I could not forgive some people in the past... but now that I follow Christ I have forgiven a lot of people in my own mind and from that moment I have a lot more peace. I am not in a relationship with these persons anymore... some even are not among us anymore... but I needed to forgive them in my mind in order to feel peace with myself as well as with Christ.

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The master plan?

by Honeybucket in

what do you thinkd the governing body's master plan is?

build a "vatican city" for jw in canada?

then plot to take over the world?

DeWandelaar

Just like all the Illuminati... rule their world ;)