Posts by DeWandelaar

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WHy Have You Turned YOur Back On The Messiah

by cassuk11 in

ok so you got out of the watchtower society after discerning it was false.

what is amazing is how many have turned their back on the king or was it they had no faith in the first place and the spiritual food they received did not help them stand upon a rock.

jesus the christ your saviour is a living breathing being with emotions.

DeWandelaar

First of all the title of this topic assumes that everyone has turned their back to the Messiah which is not true for a lot of people on this forum. It actually is the same as calling people ANTI-CHRIST (like the JW's do in their speeches these days)... Not believing the JW doctrine does not necessarily mean you turned your back to faith.

On the other hand: As I have said in some threads I personally have an open mind now... which in essense means that I am becoming sceptical to scriptures that were written around 2000 years ago and are full of contradicitions. It does NOT mean I am not openminded for a messiah or a God... I can only refer to what I have learned and I have seen a lot of things that were false.

I am not saying God doesn't exist... I am also not saying I do not want to obey God... But what I AM saying is that I want to have faith in someone who also communicates with me personally. Communication is a two-way thing. Communication is also personal which means that if a letter was not written to ME personally I can never ever say that the things that were in it were meant for me. So how on earth can I believe someone who I have NEVER seen or who never showed people in our time that he is alive? In other words: how can I turn my back to someone who I am not totally sure of he excists or excisted? I can only turn my back to someone who is there.

If God (or Jesus) would show me he exists and tells what he expects from me then I will absolutely obey him directly! HE knows I would!

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Most Awkward, Embarrassing, Comical things you Experienced as a Witness ?

by flipper in

jw
friends

many of us i'm sure experienced embarrassing or comical moments as a witness.

some things we'd rather just forget , i'm sure, but some things helped us think on our feet, quickly in helping others .

here are a few of mine.

DeWandelaar

Sometimes I kissed sisters on the hand (being the romantic guy that I am LOLZ :P). I once did it to a sister who could have been my mum and she just smacked me in the face at the foyer of the kingdomhall... she was scared (and I was shocked) as hell and found it very scary. Wow... I still feel it in my cheeks and it is about 15 years ago

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New Zealand headquarters: Witnesses sell, Elim buys

by Fe2O3Girl in

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friends

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/manukau-courier/9124458/witnesses-sell-elim-buys.

it was the national headquarters for the jehovah's witnesses for 30 years.. but the 7.5ha wattle downs property has now been sold to elim church and could soon house a new christian college.. jehovah's witness minister george gray says advances in technology mean the property is no longer needed for running the church's new zealand and south pacific activities which will now be administered from australia.. elim church bought the property for its growing south auckland congregation and volunteers helped transform the site in just a matter of days.. pastor boyd ratnaraja says the congregation moved in on a sunday straight after morning services at their much smaller weymouth rd premises.. "they have done a superb job of setting up," he says.. the church will hold services for its 450-strong congregation at its new home as well as running counselling sessions and operating an op shop and a weekly soup kitchen.. "we believe in reaching out to the community.

we want this to be a centre of hope.

DeWandelaar

So a ONE TIME BUSINESS deal is ok? LOL!!! So... if I visit a Harlot just once and get the full monty then I can be excused as well?! Hypocritical morons!

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Zeitgeist, anyone seen it?

by Sammy Jenkis in

so i was watching this on netflix today and had only really heard about the comparisons between jc and horus in religulous.

it amazed me how incredibly credulous i was as a witness- i would never have watched a video so full of "lies" had i still been in.. or maybe i'm willing to believe anything now..... for those that have seen it- how convinced were you with the comparisons between jesus and the zodiac?.

DeWandelaar

I have seen quite some parts of it but it is mostly a load of bullocks... comparing the life of Jesus with other gods/myths is only possible if you have a VERY WIDE interpretation and it lacks in a lot of fields.

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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

by smiddy in

he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

DeWandelaar

@Adamah ... true that ;) Human Rights can be totally turned down when "God" comes into play. That is one of the reasons I find it difficult to believe the bible can be seen as a moral guide (as well as other "holy books"). Have you als read some parts of the book of Jasher? Even though Jasher is called the "faithfull one" he mentions the "killing" of a slave child (who was brought to Nimrod who believed it was Abraham) as something that you can just legally do... it is incredible how people of these times where using other people as if they are simply dust.

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Question: In what cases is a transfusion of whole blood or the 4 wt prohibited components the only lifesaving solution?

by Daniel1555 in

dear friends,.

my mother in law said, that bloodless medicine works in all situations.. .

i don't have a lot of medical experience.

DeWandelaar

Some Leucemia treatments can only happen when using blood...

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New Zealand headquarters: Witnesses sell, Elim buys

by Fe2O3Girl in

jw
friends

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/manukau-courier/9124458/witnesses-sell-elim-buys.

it was the national headquarters for the jehovah's witnesses for 30 years.. but the 7.5ha wattle downs property has now been sold to elim church and could soon house a new christian college.. jehovah's witness minister george gray says advances in technology mean the property is no longer needed for running the church's new zealand and south pacific activities which will now be administered from australia.. elim church bought the property for its growing south auckland congregation and volunteers helped transform the site in just a matter of days.. pastor boyd ratnaraja says the congregation moved in on a sunday straight after morning services at their much smaller weymouth rd premises.. "they have done a superb job of setting up," he says.. the church will hold services for its 450-strong congregation at its new home as well as running counselling sessions and operating an op shop and a weekly soup kitchen.. "we believe in reaching out to the community.

we want this to be a centre of hope.

DeWandelaar

The hypocricy is so bad it totally MADDENS me!

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Rumor: April 3, 2015 start of Great Tribulation?

by Londo111 in

on another forum, somebody mentioned that there is a growing belief with those high up in watchtower hierarchy that the great tribulation will begin april 3, 2015. evidently, one has to check the skycharts for that date and compare with 33 ceand also compare with the history of jws for past 40, 80, 120 years.

dont ask me to verify the rumor...these things come and go.

im sure lots of people in hq believe all sorts of things.. .

DeWandelaar

I think they want to take part of the four blood moons that are happening in this period of time (with one on 4 april 2015)... I have read some crap about that. Anyways... it MIGHT be that they believe this shit because why do they want to "rush" the building work of their temple in

A quote from a website

It cannot be regarded as coincidence that all four blood moons of 2014/15 occur on religious festivals of Israel, together with two eclipses of the sun also on important days in 2015. A blood moon will occur on the 14 th day of Nisan in 2014, when the Passover will be celebrated in Israel (cf. Lev. 23:5). Nisan is the first month in Israel's religious calendar. On the 15 th day of the seventh month (Tishri) when the feast of Tabernacles begins (cf. Lev. 23:34), there will be another blood moon. Exactly the same pattern will be repeated in 2015. Because of Israel's lunar calendar these dates all coincide with the full moon - on these occasions the moon will become blood-red. Apart from the lunar eclipses there will also be two eclipses of the sun in 2015 - on the first day of Nisan and again on the first day of Tishri. The Rosh Hashanah (Jewish New Year) is celebrated on 1 st Tishri, which is the beginning of their civil calendar.

The discoveries of Mark Biltz are even more significant when it is taken into account that the year from 25 Sept. 2014 to 13 Sept. 2015 will be a sabbatical year which will conclude the year-week which starts with Rosh Hashanah on 30 Sept. 2008. Four blood moons in successive years will never occur again during the entire remainder of the 21 st century.

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"False Prophets" part notably uncomfortable

by Separation of Powers in

so, service meeting last night.

bro handling the "false prophet" part was notably disturbed.

every time he spoke of previous "expectations" his body language was like "oh my god, can you believe i'm saying this?

DeWandelaar

"Jehovah's organization has never claimed to be inspired." <--- so... according to them the Organisation that originates from Jehovah (aka the omnipotent God) is NOT inspired by God himselve... HOW ON EARTH COULD IT BE A ORGANISATION LEAD BY GOD IF IT IS NOT INSPIRED BY HIM!

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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

by smiddy in

he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

DeWandelaar

@Adamah... I am with you most of the time in many discussions since they make a lot of sense and are completely logical. However I must say that times have changed (like you also try to point out by letting our modern moral principles shine on the past episodes/stories of thousands of years ago). Slavery as we KNEW it back then is almost gone (though still around 27 million people are living as literal slaves)... however... in these modern times we are still in some OTHER ways slaves (even if you do not want to acknowledge it). Why? because debts make for a different relationship between humans: one becomes a "master" of the other untill the debt is payed off. (I know it is also a biblical phrase but in this case it makes a lot of sense).

A lot of slaves back in the old days became slaves because of debts... It is called Debt Bondage . they had debts they could not pay off and where therefore made slaves.

Wikipedia states about this type of slavery in Ancient Greece: The most onerous debt bondage was various forms of paramone, "indentured labor." As a matter of law, a person subjected toparamone was categorically free, and not a slave, but in practice his freedom was severely constrained by his servitude. [7] Solon's reforms occurred in the context of democratic politics at Athens that required clearer distinctions between "free" and "slave"; as a perverse consequence, chattel slavery increased. [8]

They came into dominion of other people. In our times it depends on the "taskmaster" you have debts to... if you have debts to the mafia (which I never advise! :D) and not able to pay back you would probably loose your life. You are literally a free man in that situation and yet you are not: not paying or doing stuff for them means death. Some other "taskmasters" are not that rigouriously... however... they make take everything away you previously owned: they might throw you out of your homes. Surely they were not slaves literaly but the outcome is, in modern way of seeing it, disastrous. Banks have thrown people on the streets, leaving them homeless. Lets be honest: the amount of debts people (and even complete countries) have is enormous. There are therefore many "slaves" in our time (not literally mind!). Slave means: UNFREE human. Freedom has a very brood meaning. Slavery also has a brood meaning these days. It is not all that black and white (litteraly :P) anymore.

One of the things that were typical for slaves was that they were OWNED... they had no own identity and did not own property. Now... can you really state that someone who has a shitload of debts really OWN's anything? That he is able to CHOOSE his own life? No... he isn't. So... litteraly he is NO slave but yet because of circumstances he is because he can not walk away from his problems (maybe not even caused by himself). Even children of someone who is in debt can be forced to pay off the debts of their parents or their (ex)spouse (in the situation their parents die)... this is even a law in some countries.

Now for the record: Am I stating that working for a boss is slavery? No I don't... I do not mean you are a slave of the "boss" you work for. What I DO say is that we are slaves of debtors who we owe money to. It is one of the reasons why we have to work our butts off: governments, banks etc etc etc all demand money to be able to "rule" or "regulate" a country. Disobedience leads to (legal) punishment. It is THEY we need to pay... the "boss" is giving us money for labour in order for us to pay off our debts. Please do not forget that for example governments can DEMAND money of us and can raise taxes without our consent and although we can object it most of the time does not help a bit. So as you see: although we have a choice most of us actually have not much of choice ;)