I think it will depend on the individuals. My brother who is absolutely pro-JW is very very nice and he knows how I am standing against the JW's (I even called CT Russell an apostate in an argument ;)).
DeWandelaar
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Has the organization changed their policy toward inactive ones?
by TweetieBird infor the past few years, family members and long time friends have pretty much ignored us because we don't go to meetings.
recently, my sister (a regular pioneer) asked me to friend her on facebook, my mother-in-law (a regular pioneer) actually visited us and stayed in our home and another friend that i haven't heard from in years just asked me to friend her on facebook.
just curious..
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Any proof that more JW's are leaving in greater numbers then before?
by Crazyguy inor is it just wishful thinking on our parts?.
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DeWandelaar
Since they are encouraging very young kids to get baptised means they are quite affraid that the ammount of members will significantly drop in the near future if these do not get baptised.
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The motives behind Genesis (and the rest of the Bible)
by DeWandelaar ini was in thinking mode this morning and since i am writing a roman based on a part of the genesis account i suddenly came to a weird sort of motive of the writer of genesis.
going beyond a blogpost of adamah about the true meaning of the tree of knowledge i come to the following conclusion:.
the writer of genesis wants to promote obedience at cost of knowledge.
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DeWandelaar
I was in thinking mode this morning and since I am writing a roman based on a part of the genesis account I suddenly came to a weird sort of motive of the writer of Genesis. Going beyond a blogpost of Adamah about the true meaning of the tree of knowledge I come to the following conclusion:
The writer of Genesis wants to promote obedience at cost of knowledge
Why?
According to the Genesis account the male and female were created by Gods image (not totally though since they did not have the knowledge but that is a small inconsistency you need to get used to) according to the wellwritten blog of Adamah. Now something happens... the female wants to obtain the fruit of the tree. Now what was the fruit? Was it an apple or a pear? No... the fruit was "KNOWLEDGE" and "KNOWLEDGE" leaded to socalled SIN. Even TOUCHING it (or in case of knowledge TRYING to THINK) was lethal in the eyes of the writer.
Now... before they ate from that fruit they aparently where doing quite simple tasks now didn't they? They had to take care of the garden and the animals and they had to breed in order to get the species called "mankind" to multiply. No thinking involved too much there. The writer of the Genesis-account is stating that that is paradise. Just doing what is said you should be doing... skip the thinking.
Thinking further about that it is quite easy that the writer tries to discourage knowledge:According to the writer of Genesis KNOWLEDGE is the wedge between a beliefsystem in a DEITY and a beliefsystem WITHOUT a DEITY. It is the wedge that leads to destruction. That is at least what the writer is telling you.
A beliefsystem based on a DEITY leads to obedience and slavery... slavery to men who point to the deity and their beliefsystem (aka known as religion). A beliefsystem based on knowledge skips the deity and therefore the slavery to other men. The last version is not the version a ruler or a person with an agenda wants to happen since it means they have no attachments to these people and can not lead to taking them captives of their "power".
If we look further in the bible we see the same things:
Samuel is talking about "Obedience above sacrifices"
David is talking about that we are not able to follow our own footsteps
Paul is suggesting that filosophy is not idle
Etc etc etc.
The whole bible and especially the writer(s) of the bible are suggesting obedience to a beliefsystem and it started at the Genesis-account.
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Come... take the free gift of the water of life!
by tec inpeace to you all!.
for some time now, i have been arguing and debating and discussing matters of god and the spirit (who is christ).
i have tried to share as he has given me to share whenever he gives me something to share.
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DeWandelaar
http://youtu.be/yFCvg8uokZc?t=21s
Why doesn't it show grrrrr
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Come... take the free gift of the water of life!
by tec inpeace to you all!.
for some time now, i have been arguing and debating and discussing matters of god and the spirit (who is christ).
i have tried to share as he has given me to share whenever he gives me something to share.
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GTA V - Grand Theft Auto 5 players?
by DeWandelaar inhi guys,.
in my spare time i play this game... are there any players who play this game on a xbox360 and wanna play it online?
if so please pm me so we can share gamertags.
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DeWandelaar
Maybe you have other games like Halo4 or Gears of War you like to play?
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One year ago...
by DeWandelaar in... i joined this forum.
well... 11 months and 23 days ago to be more exact.
why this post?
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DeWandelaar
Hi Freedom4all... the thing is that some not even gets the chance to search or chase for a purpose... some die even before they are born and some live and yet they don't. I sometimes consider myself as one of those... the ones that live and yet don't, well... not really. Do I enjoy things? Yes I do... I take pictures of things I like and love to bring back memories of things that are good in live... mostly it is from the past 8-9 years... I do things I like to do (within the boundaries I in)... I am a husband and I have kids. But overall... if every emotion is stripped of all these things (and I am quite good at that) things just don't matter...
If you were a small kid and get it drilled into you from the start it is hard to suddenly switch a button and simply "enjoy". As a kid I almost ate those books that were printed... I was probably one of the most zealous, wiseassed witnesskids you could get and the insiders hated me for that... I remember I was excited when new books came out. I even read yearbooks of years before I was born. About what happened in the war with all those witnesses who disobeyed. I got beaten and battered by youths for my "faith", for me just being me and noone understood... not even my parents who were supposed to understand. So I did what I always did... I fought mindbattles and teached myself all the things that were necessary since there was noone else to do so.
If you have a family and are on the wrong side of the fence since everyone is still in it is hard to enjoy the things. And it is even worse if you start knowing the truth... not necessarily the truth about the JW... but the truth about live and all that is in it.
I have changed... mostly in the "faith"-department... but it is THE department that was mostly my life... my being. It was THE thing I was good at... denying the fact that it exists is some sort of selfdenial as well... I will cope with it... I will survive it... But it is a heavy burden to carry.
I hate feeling alone and misunderstood
O well... it is important to understand this... there is no spoon
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The Real Aftermath of the AGM...Part 2
by raymond frantz infor the ones based in britain only the "few" were invited to attend the agm .they received their new grey bible and the rumor was that the new bible will not be available for the rest of the congragations until january .it was confirmed tonight .a letter was read as local announcement that the new bibles will not be available until the end of january for the rest of the congragation .all the in crowd were sat there with their new flashy bible looking smug.also the bible reading was read from the new bible to make it all the more obvious ..... the real aftermath of agm....
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DeWandelaar
I really want to know if that BUM Witness has the next verse written as well ... since I like to read things in context please lower the pants please ;)
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A House Divided Against Itself Falls-Luke 11:17
by Stand for Pure Worship inthat text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.
second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.
you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.
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DeWandelaar
Stand For Pure Worship ... you should live in North-Korea... everyone is united there and the whole nation is happy.... unless the leader dies... then everyone is sad... If that isn't love then nothing is...
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Any Fader Disfellowshipped in later Years?
by braincleaned inhi!.
hey, did anyone here ever get disfellowshipped after years of fading, because of having been discovered online saying crap about the wts and/or the gb?.
just wondering... you know they are following these sites....
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DeWandelaar
Well... they can do whatever they want... I don't care really... the only people they will pester with it are my wife and my kids who are still going. I do not think they want to bring them into a negative situation.
Besides... the "elders" do not have any authority over me