Posts by MrRoboto

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So what would "Perfect Life" REALLY be like?

by stuckinarut2 in

i wonder sometimes just how jws try and comprehend what perfect life would really be like if "adam and eve" had not sinned?.

how would we live?

what would the realities be like?

MrRoboto

Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows..

Seriously though, they ate and became "like one of us, knowing good and bad". If they didn't do that, they/we would be living in perfect blissful ignorance. Ahhh.

I would imagine that a world full of perfect, undoing people would eventually digress into cannibalism as the deathless people vastly out do the supply of resources/food.

Maybe death is part of a stable system and necessary to prevent the above?

Or maybe earth man and rib girl never existed in the first place..?

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Beliefs and life after disfellowshipped

by AlexPancho in

it is normal for a person to review their beliefs, especially after such a traumatic event as disfellowshipped.i think that many here do not believe that god is leading jehovah's witnesses.. someone does not believe in god at all.i think it is good when we can be free in our views, no matter how much they are, without the pressure from any organization that teaches us to "true" believe.so, now i read many books on the history of the bible text and found that there is no foundation to be sure that at least one true words after 500-year history of rewriting has reached us.

if you wont find more info about this - googledbart ehrman book or nestle-alland new testament, where every words have many variant.for start read thisi read grat biological works, as dawkins "great show on the earth" and other (into russian lang) and i do not have any reason believe into creation.but, i still belive ino any abstract god-like force, without any "book based" reason.what do you believe in today?

why?please do not condemn each other's faith - we have gone through a rather difficult path..

MrRoboto

Pimo here, so not DFd but definitely post-JW in mind and heart.

While walking up, I thought that JW was just another satanic false religion but that the bible was still what I was taught.

Then I woke up more, to the inconsistencies in the bible, though I think there are some good points there, but nothing you couldn't think of yourself if you just tried for 5 minutes to figure out how nor to be a jerk to people.

Now, I would say that a non-materialist maya / simulation / matrix based reality is most likely, based on my own experience and experiments. Hopefully soon Tom Campbells' experiments will show this on a deeper and more objective level.

While this view doesn't specifically exclude or include a deity as creator of our reality as we experience it here, I don't find deities to be necessary or functional.

I theorize that if the simulation idea is correct, certain groups of people have known for a very long time and are in fact tasked with keeping the masses so distracted (religion, endless media, violence, wars, just making a living etc) that they barely have time to focus on personal growth and on truth seeking. Why? Because when a billion (or 7) people wake up in a way similar to Jim Carey, the whole thing gets dangerous for everyone (I love Jim but I think his loss of a sense of purpose has left him feeling lost, now multiply that by a few billion)

The ones tasked with keeping everyone in line and distracted would be handsomely rewarded of course, living the good life.. money, power etc.. otherwise what would be the personal impetus to cooperate.

The ones in the know would be few and at the top, even if their minions may also be monied and powerful, they need not know but if the core purpose is ever forgotten (not passed down from generation to generation) then we should likely see the top powers fade away, getting less oppressive and more inclusive over time.

You are free to dismiss this as musings of a red pill-er though.

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Foetus baptism

by Fay Dehr in

foetus baptism - surely coming to a watchtower study article soon?

jw parents are reminded of 2 ti.3:14,14 "from infancy you have known the holy writings".

and the watchtower explains the greek word bre'phos "infancy" as follows: "...it is generally used of an unborn child.

MrRoboto

Considering that a recent study article reinforced the official position of no infant baptism and that the baptisee should have accurate knowledge of good and his purpose (they unknowingly nullified every JW baptism with that one tho) otherwise the baptism doesn't count. Because of this,I don't think it will change any time soon.

If it does change the way you suggest, they may simply have the pregnant woman go into the baptism pool chest deep, enough to cover the location of the womb.

I think it could happen. It would either keep more kids in the bORG from birth on into adulthood.. or you may lose more kids to DFing than would be the case if they were not held responsible just yet.. because of... well we know how kids are... And those kids probably wouldn't go back to the bORG.. Roll of the dice there but the GoBo is not above that so who knows.

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Qualifications of elders question

by charity7 in

hi guys!

i thought you guys would be able to clarify something for me.

according to jw’s what qualifies you to become an elder and who does the appointing?

MrRoboto

FedUpJW - I've seen lots of remarried elders..

There's quite a lack of consistency in applying the rules.. My guess is someone(s) didn't like you (or liked someone else more.. like maybe family members - there's a lot of that too)

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What makes you---YOU?

by eyeuse2badub in

of course this is an open ended question but have you ever really thought about what makes you who you are?.

is it our looks, our personality, our physique, our intelligence, our experiences and subsequent memories, our beliefs?

is it a combination of all these things and even more?

MrRoboto

I would agree that it would be a copy, according to JW theology but if you go with the idea that a spirit or soul survives death, then it would be plausible to give that a body back and have it be the same person.

on another note..

In one of my classes in school there was a Muslim girl who always wore a partial head covering (pardon my ignorance for terminology) but not on her face. She was always so gentle and nice, getting good grades and hard working.

When she came back after some months being gone due to a car accident, she had amnesia. She was a completely different person.

Slacking at school, getting in with wrong crowd, more of a 'bad girl' attitude than the nice girl I was used to. She didn't wear her head covering anymore.

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Neanderthals - Meet Your Ancestors

by Earnest in

jw
friends

tonight (sunday, 13th may) at 20:00 on bbc 2 ... for neanderthal believers, agnostics and deniers.. this first programme in a two-part series investigates what neanderthals looked like and and how they lived in their ice age world.

it turns out that almost everything we thought we knew about them is wrong.

they weren't hunched, grunting, knuckle-dragging ape-men at all.

MrRoboto

People get confused as to what science is and does.

Science doesn't DO or believe (or say, or prove).

Science is the study of the world (or universe) around us in an attempt to better understand it.

When done without bias, science is a useful tool to coming to a better plausible understanding of how things are (or were) and can be used to falsify some ideas or reinforce others.

When used inappropriately, it can help control large masses of people, rob people of money/energy/life.

Too much of "science" today is just grant-chasing b.s. and special interest which helps keep us ignorant on so many levels.

Yay! for science

Boo! for selfish people

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Qualifications of elders question

by charity7 in

hi guys!

i thought you guys would be able to clarify something for me.

according to jw’s what qualifies you to become an elder and who does the appointing?

MrRoboto

They are appointed by Holly spirit.

HahahaHahahaHahaha!

Hey speaking of "husband of one wife", can anyone point me to where Jesus or his guys specifically did away with polygamy? or concubines? Serious question.

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12 june 2018 what to say

by LostAdam in

hi eveyone, my sis told me something like where will i be after that day.

i couldnt realize at first what she meant, but i found this on net donald-trump-kim-jong-un-meeting-singapore-june-12/.

i found her reaction so pathetic, but i think she is really sorry for me leaving.. so how to do you reply to jw family or generally when news about world peace comes out?.

MrRoboto

The King of the north is so obvious..

He has a massive army, even if they are only so tall. Fat and happy, he favors wearing blood colored uniforms. Has his own personal aircraft. Each year, he sends out his clones in a massive propaganda campaign, mostly to malls and street corners. Every winter he goes around bribing all the children of the world to take his side.

Yes the king of the north is none other than...

Santa!

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JWs and daily Bible reading schedule

by AuntBee in

jws often point to this, to show outsiders they are allowed to read the bible on their own without the publications.

although, as we know, the org still teaches that you will never progress along the road to life without the pubs.

and, i would imagine that what they learn/conclude from their own bible reading, must remain within the confines of current wt teaching, even on the most minute points of doctrine.

MrRoboto

Yeah now my schedule matches Jehovah's - "One day is as a thousand years"

I read mine daily : )

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Evening gala/ball

by Researchedandenlightened in

jw
friends

can anyone tell me when, and why jehovahs witnesses hold evening gala,s / ball with full tuxedo,s and evening gowns ?

is it uk only as i have heard family throughout the uk attend these events (jw only) of course !.

what is the purpose of these events and how long have the dubs being doing so ?

MrRoboto

Been to a few similar get togethers here in US and can confirm that it seems primarily for expanding the dating pool but you get the occasional couple who just want to do something new. Good way to make new JW friends if you're into that sort of thing..

I also remember being suspicious when elders showed up, taking video of everyone in the room.... Hmmm... Or maybe it was just so they had something to look at when they got home, the girls were usually dressed up very nicely (and tightly, and not always entirely modestly)