I was wondering about this myself - they obviously have the 144k thing wrong, even if you believe in the bible.
MrRoboto
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How many anointed have come and gone; how many remain?
by Moster injust wondering if there is any data about how many anointed there were in say 1914, and considering most would have passed 'beyond the veil' already, are the jw's numbers adding up?
we know there are more in 2017 then there were in 2016, but just where are we in the grand total column?.
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Is this life all there is?
by Fisherman inwhat do you sincerely think?
do you nurture any hope?.
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MrRoboto
Interesting thread, nice to see so many different POVs..
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What if the crucifixion never took place..
by Jayk ini googled it and pretty much my understanding is the same as what i imagine.
no one really knows, your guess is as good as the next.
interesting thought to consider imo..
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MrRoboto
What if the crucifixion never took place..
Well then the JWs were right on something at least, that Jesus wasn't executed on a cross after all.
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Hell Exists
by Poppy520 inmany people of all denominations are beginning to believe that hell does not exist - but the bible supports the claim that it does.
examine this verse, one under nkjv and the other nwt:.
nkjv - matthew 25:46, "and these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.".
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MrRoboto
If god really wanted all to attain to repentance and to not destroy any, why didn't he do the following:
Preserve all scriptures in original form
Make all scriptures consistent w/ each other
Give each generation of mankind the same level of awesome proof of his existence and interest in human affairs
(Israelites witnessing the parting of the sea would have had a better chance at believing in god than people today who have witnessed nothing but a sh!t-ton of abusive religionists and inconsistent "holy writings")
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Christian "NO GO" zones in US
by Coded Logic ini can't believe this is taking place in our country!
all across america there are areas where people are trying to enforce christian law!
outsiders are strictly forbidden from entering and they have private security and guards to keep people out.
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MrRoboto
So I'm banned from some obscure place that I wouldn't want to go to anyways? Not sure I see the problem there. A bit like getting banned from mosques or synagogues I'd say.
I think my main concern there would be for the poor saps who have been duped into being there.
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The speed with which I exited!!
by joe134cd ini was just thinking at how quickly the process was from pimi - pimo - pomo.
i must of spent about 10 years trudging along in the organization very unhappily.
but from the initial stages of learning ttatt to physically walking out the door the process took about 18 months.
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MrRoboto
A couple of years pimo for me so far, for familial reasons. If not for that, I would have went from pimi to pomo in 5 seconds flat.
I'm not sure I will make it to this next memorial though. Its starting to seem pointless.
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The watchtower does not have the resources part two
by pepperheart inon another post on this site it tells you that the watchtower is selling the bethel in greece ??
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MrRoboto
Well, combine the factors mentioned above with what appears to be a stealth culling of those who have the least to lose while simultaneously being the easiest to be woken up, and I think you have the makings for a leaner and meaner cult with only the most devout members who will no doubt provide plenty of funding for the retirement of the Seven Kings on Kings Dr.
*I say culling but it's more like they are intentionally trying to wake up people who are able to be woken up so that they can leave while leaving only the most loyal (or truely stuck) left. Have you seen their weird vids and bold faced lies? I wouldn't be surprised if they set up apostate sites just to help weed out the less loyal folk.
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Is this life all there is?
by Fisherman inwhat do you sincerely think?
do you nurture any hope?.
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MrRoboto
You are asking what we think and about hope. Both of these are about beliefs and not based on real evidence. There are tons of Belief Systems (B.S.) out there to choose from but they are all based on assumptions (I.e. the Bible is inerrentand God's word)
Some of these things are provably wrong, for example we can prove whether or not the bible is inerrent by simply reading it. That doesn't mean that there's no god or that your faith in him or in JC won't save you but that would all be blind faith since there's no evidence to suggest its true.
Each of us have our own experience, if I told you that I saw Jesus in a potato chip and he healed my broken leg, would it convince you? Likely you be convinced that I'm lying or crazy, and rightly so.
In my opinion, you have to experience the truth for yourself, otherwise its simply more B.S. And you adopt someone else's ideas. I like Thomas Campbell's "my big toe", his big Theory Of Everything which he has outlined in detail in his YouTube videos as well as his book. A quick search for the name on YouTube gets to his channel. I won't outline it here but it's backed by way more science (even physics) than religions around the world and even explains many of their teachings without the dogma usually attached. I like it, it's seems to fit with my own observations thus far but I don't BELEVE it all, until I can experience some of the deeper consequences of the theory, I would consider it simply the best theory there is. If I can replicate his findings, I can prove it to myself, at which point there is no longer believing any of it, it is simply KNOWING.
According to the TOE, which is more suited to answer this question of yours than the other stuff out there (imho), the answer is yes there is life after death but life as well as death are not what we have believed it to be. A bit similar to the ideas of reincarnation but much more open-ended. Much of it is provable with science but some of it is really only provable on the individual level, no one can prove it for you.
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Do they officially give marking talks without telling the one marked?
by Wakanda inmy pimi (physically in, mentally in) friend believes she was marked without them telling her.
i believe her, and she has been making work for the elders.
she is a pain in their arse, and they are a pain in hers, which is great.
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MrRoboto
Kinda silly if you ask me. What if the marked person happens to miss the meeting that night? They may never know what happened. I think think might have found an answer in this for my own experiences. Thanks!
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How do I handle this?
by Phoebe ina little advice please.. it's now 7 months since i stopped going to meetings.
we still get regular calls by elders - at least every 2 weeks.
i can handle them.
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