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  Child Sacrifice and Exodus 22:29

  by joey jojo in

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  im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first.

  i recently came across exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.. i searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so i thought id start one and see what you guys think.

  im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but i cant find it.. anyway, exodus 22:29 says:.

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  liam

  Exodus 13:13 commands them to redeem their firstborn sons. This was done by paying the priests five silver shekels.

  OK, so let me get this straight. There was a provision for paying five shekels to the "Priests" ...Not Jehovah, because Jehovah can’t use silver shekels in the Heavenly Spirit Realm. But to the Priests, and by giving money to the Priests, you could “Spare your Children” from being sacrificed as a burnt Sacrifice.

  Now Why is it that Jephthah didn’t think of this?????

  “Hey Jehovah, Here is 5 silver shekels to redeem my daughter from being a burnt sacrifice.”

  “Daughter, you are free to go live your life”

  Instead the bible in Judges 11 tells us this;

  Jephthah’s daughter finished “bewailing her fate with her friends for two months. Then she returned to her father, “who did as he had vowed.”

  And what did Jephthah VOW?

  Quote; Meanwhile Jephthah had vowed to the Lord that if God would help Israel conquer the Ammonites, then when he returned home in peace,

  The first person coming out of his house to meet him would be sacrificed as a burnt offering

  The Result; she was never married………..because she died early in her Youth! That’s what people say when someone dies at a young age.

  “They didn’t have kids because they died before they had a chance”

  Bible quote; “And after that it became a custom in Israel that the young girls went away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah’s daughter.”

  You don’t “Lament” (To grieve audibly; wail) someone year after year just because she remained single and didn't have kids. You grief, you wail, you cry like hell, when a beautiful submissive, humble, young girl is offered up as a BURNT SACRIFICE to the God you worship.

  Alternative ending

  Jephthah; “Jehovah here are 5 silver shekels to spare my daughter from being sacrificed.

  Jehovah; “Nah Jephthah, can’t do...Your daughter is not a first born, and that only applies to firstborn Males, not females...sorry, but that's the Law.

  Jephthah; “So what am I supposed to do Jehovah?

  Jehovah; “Let me give you a hint Jephthah, I’m smelling a sweet aroma just like in the days of Noah”
  

  
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  God won't lift a finger to help you.

  by nicolaou in

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  sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

  if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

  pathetic diversion.

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  Surely Job felt much better that he had 20 new offspring. WTF about the 10 that died

  Job 42

  God also gave him seven more sons and three more daughters. These were the names of his daughters: Jemima, Kezia, Keren.

  And in all the land there were no other girls as lovely as the daughters of Job

  Yea but the daughters that were murdered were just average looking.

  The three new Daughters were beautiful as heck, and all the boys wanted to get their paws on those gorgeous bodies. That was the way of serving Jehovah. If you worshiped Jah, you got all the babes.

  
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  Vice President Kamala Harris…your thoughts??

  by minimus in

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  good pick?

  bad pick?

  helpful to president biden?

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  So Sept, will be the first Debate on TV between Trump and Kamala.

  Kamala is bringing her team to help her.

  And Trump is bringing Tulsi Gabbard.

  Remember the debate between Tulsi and Kamala in 2020.

  Harris dropped off the Race after that debate.
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4fjA0K2EeE
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6CFS4tHf4w
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  "We're in the last days!"

  by BoogerMan in

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  not just jw's, but countless others (evangelicals etc.

  ) are claiming that we're in the "last days.".

  but........bible students/jw's have been spouting this fake message since the 19th century!!!!!!.

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  Prophecy scholars point to the rebirth of Israel in 1948 for a possible beginning of "end times".

  Does anyone know how long it takes to get a degree in Prophecy Scholarship

  
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  Child Sacrifice and Exodus 22:29

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first.

  i recently came across exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.. i searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so i thought id start one and see what you guys think.

  im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but i cant find it.. anyway, exodus 22:29 says:.

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  joey jojo

  there are a lot of apologists, including JW's that are doing their white knight duty to defend this verse.

  Bart Ehrman has said that the majority of bible scholars will not step into a controversy where a bible verse plainly contradicts the current ideology that God is Omni-Benevolent.

  So usually they use the phrase, “This verse has an obscure meaning”

  But many Bible Scholars say the best way to understand a verse like this is to take a good honest look at the personality of Jehovah/ aka/ YHWH. And see if the bible verse in question is telling us the complete opposite of what modern Christians believe God is.

  From the very Beginning, we learn that the God of the bible has a very warped view of all Human and animal life. He gets some type of arousal seeing the shedding of innocent Human and animal life.

  For example in the very first bible book notice how he reacts to Noah sacrificing innocent animals right after the flood. Different bible translations use different colorful words but they convey the same meaning. He gets some type of arousal to the smell of BLOOD.

  Genesis 8:20-22

  And Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every [ceremonially] clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma [a soothing, satisfying scent]

  BRG

  And the Lord smelled a sweet savour;

  DARBY

  And Jehovah smelled the sweet odour

  In Exodus 22:29 CJB bible translation, notice that YHWH says “The firstborn of your sons you are to give to me. But after that He says;

  You are to do the same with your oxen and your sheep — it is to stay with its mother seven days, and on the eighth day you are to give it to me.

  The verse seems to indicate that as soon as parents have their first born, they can keep it for seven days, after which on the eighth day they hand the baby over to him, just like the oxen and sheep, which were sacrificed as a burnt offering. Certainly the baby was not given to the priests for them to raise up a bunch of babies.

  In the story of Jephthah offering his daughter as a burnt sacrifice it tells us;

  Judges 11:31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.’

  In the bible a Burnt offering is a sacrifice Burnt offering. The bible says nothing about the daughter vowing to remain single and live with the priests.

  Then there’s the thousands of innocent animals that were slaughter for Jehovah pleasure.

  1 Kings 8:62-63 Then the king, and all Israel with him, offered sacrifice before the Lord. Solomon offered as peace offerings to the Lord 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep.

  Think about that for a minute and imagine the effect slaughtering 142,000 thousand innocent animals had on the minds of those doing the slaughtering. And also all the people watching the slaughtering for the pleasure of the God they worship.

  Today slaughtering a few cows in a slaughter house causes many men and women to have mental breakdowns.

  This is a 5 minute video of slaughtering a few cows. The first time I saw it, it messed me up for a long time.

  SO THIS IS WARNING TO NOT SEE IT IF SLAUGHTERING ANIMALS AFFECTS YOU

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KezHKbUzy0A

  And last but not least, even Jesus recognized that his father had this thing for spilled blood. Sacrifices and offering were not his thing. Jehovah wanted innocent blood spilled to smell the sweet odor. So he made sure not to step in when they were beating his son to a pulp and crucifying or impaling him.

  Jehovah could have easily and painlessly taken the life of Jesus like Thanos took the life of half the Universe, without any pain, and the Ransom would have been paid, regardless. There was no need for Jesus to suffer the way he did, Unless this God is malevolent and just loves to see humans and animals suffer.

  Hebrews 10:5 EHV

  Therefore when he entered the world, Christ said: Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but you prepared a body for me.

  So how we want to read that verse in Exodus will depend on you.
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  Will there ever be any new GB members?

  by Mikejw in

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  the last two seem very young.. will there be any further new gb members or will they all die off?.

  i still remember when tony morris and a few other joined many were disappointed thinking the current crop would be the last.

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  Whether New or Old, it's the Governing Body, the way to salvation.

  https://www.tiktok.com/@jahisforeverking/video/7400398595016494342
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  God won't lift a finger to help you.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

  if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

  pathetic diversion.

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  titch

  Oh well, that's all part of god's Master Plan for animals, right?

  Just imagine how F***** we are if there is such a God that Created the animal life that we see today. Life for these poor animals was created in such a way that a baby deer doesn’t even get an opportunity to live a Full life to enjoy the wonders that being alive can bring. The last thoughts of the baby deer can be seen in its eyes as it is being swallowed alive. What a horrific way to go for both animal or human.

  I believe that any average honest, compassionate “Human” if he became omniscient, and omnipotent, and decided to create animal life on this planet, would make sure animals could find their nutrition in a way that didn't require some other animals to be torn apart to pieces or eaten alive like this baby deer.

  The fact that this is a reality, shows that either, there is no God, and life on earth for both animals and humans, was random. And no major plan was in place by a Powerful Benevolent God. In fact most Scientists classify humans as an animal, but who developed a higher form of self-awareness.

  Or there is a God and he is Malevolent!

  
  

  
  
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  Vice President Kamala Harris…your thoughts??

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  good pick?

  bad pick?

  helpful to president biden?

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  Jw GoneBad Kamala Harris is hardly breaking a sweat...no interviews, no press conferences, not saying much about her policies and yet is pulling away in the race for the White House...showing her ahead in the polls in many critical swing states...now that is weird!

  There’s one of two things happening here. One, the party is really stupid to have her run for President or two; They already have the election Won and don’t have to even try.

  As far as Trump is concerned, They’ve already taken care of that. The assassination didn’t work so now the Judge overseeing his case is planning to sentence Trump to prison right before the election.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzFXwuP647A

  Some are saying that women voters are really behind Harris' election

  Only women from the Democratic party, not conservative women.

  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IOt8r8WS2Ok

  What I believe (With No Proof Whatsoever,just a hunch) is that the Democrat party already has the election won.

  A few days ago they exposed some of Harris’s Rallies where thousands were in attendance as an AI created image. So the big crowds are not real. But who cares, the election is already won.
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  The boy who has cried wolf - for nearly 140 years!

  by BoogerMan in

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  "when will this hope be fulfilled?

  the bible foretold events that would signal that god’s kingdom is about to begin its rule over the earth.

  present world conditions match what the bible foretold.

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  After 140 years and numerous false dates, they still believe Armageddon is immanent.

  They have no shame saying things like:

  Actually it’s Brilliant……….for a Scammer

  The Shame lies with the members who continue to “Believe” despite all the Hard Evidence that is laying on the table for them to examine. Being able to scam millions of people for 140 years has allowed them to Build a Multi-Billion Dollar Religious Empire based on failed promises.

  You can’t blame a group of humans, who nature is to exploit other humans for power and control. As long as there are people who are willing to be mislead, groups like the Watchtower will continue to exist. Not just in religious fields, but political as well.

  That’s why in 2018, the Nigerian Prince con brought in more than $700,000 from Americans alone. For decades, this digital hustler has been seeping through spam filters to offer you a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity: Dear beloved, he writes,

  I’m a wayward royal coming to you with an incredible investment opportunity. Mr. Sir, did you know you have millions of dollars unclaimed in a Western Union account? I can help you get it out.

  All he needs is a small cash advance or a bank account number to complete the wire transfer. Then, these unexpected riches are yours.

  And it keeps working. It never ends and it never fails, because people in general are always looking for an easy way out of a harsh world. Whether it be millions in cash or Everlasting Life.
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  Is 1st Century advice on marriage still relevant in today’s modern world?

  by liam in

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  republicans want to make a law that forbids ‘uncontested divorce”.

  they based this on this scripture.. matthew 19. is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”.

  4 “haven’t you read,” jesus replied, “that at the beginning the creator ‘made them male and female,’and said, ‘for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ so they are no longer two, but one flesh.

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  peacefulpete

  Actually, Democrats do not have a set of beliefs, that's what being a Democrat (supporter of democracy) means, allowing a diversity of beliefs. This about the only belief all democrats share.

  Actually No,

  Democrats Do Have a set of beliefs, in their campaign, they discuss their beliefs in the debates with Republicans. And just so you know, Republicans are supporters of democracy also.

  But what I think you are misunderstanding is that the United States is not a true Democracy. Only the Greeks had something “Close” to a true democracy, but not really.

  We have a Representative Democracy. That means you elect someone to represent you and what you believe is good for you and your family.

  It also means YOU don’t get to choose any decisions that might affect your family or even You for the worse. For example, if you live in the USA and the representatives you choose, decide to declare war, they can institute a law that says all men and women, from ages 18 to 70 years of age, have to go fight.

  You as an individual in this kind of Democracy have no say whatsoever. Your representatives do.

  But there’s more. Say you and your family and the majority of Americans enjoy “Certain Rights” and you want to continue to enjoy these rights that you and your family have enjoyed for years. The day finally arrives, and it time to vote for the representatives that will protect those rights that you and your family enjoy.

  Lets say Tom is the representative that promises to protect your rights, and Karen promises to take away those rights you and the majority of American enjoy.

  The election starts off and Tom wins the popular vote. YES, the people have spoken, the majority of Americans have voted for Tom and he wins, so you get to keep your “Rights,”, …….RIGHT--------WRONG!

  Karen wins the “Electoral Collage, and what that means is Tom cannot represent you even though the majority of American voted for Tom.

  Karen won the Electoral College and her first order in office is to take away your rights that you’ve enjoyed for years. And on top of that, she starts a war and drafts all you kids.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiPL-XHKnCk

  Here is an interview from Bill Maher, a full blooded Democrat from the day he became a teenager. He hates Trump and has been in legal battles with him for a long time. Listen to what he now thinks of the Democrat Party/Woke.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh-57IbGUnQ

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yysKhJ1U-vM

  Here is a small sample of ONE of the Democrat beliefs of the one running for President and Her Vice President, and they are making it very clear what their beliefs are.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmdAXLDmDts