Posts by liam

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BABYLON THE GREAT IS NOT FALLING ANYMORE? (NEW LIGHT FROM THE ANNUAL MEETING)

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/rsbfa_7lqv4?si=muuxmgtll1n1ifad.

the watchtower’s babylon the great: a shrinking reality?.

so this latest annual meeting introduced a new idea about babylon the great, and here is the part from geoffrey jackson's talk we real need to dig in and consider it's ramifications..... so you’ve got to hand it to them; they know how to keep things interesting with their ever-evolving interpretations and, of course, those classic "adjustments" in understanding.

liam

But, if they do take this softer approach, will their members be on board? After all, they’ve been conditioned for years to see the world through an “us versus them” lens.

Only the boomers have been conditioned to see the world through an us versus them lens. Most of the hard core boomers will be gone in the next 15 years.

All the young jws have already been taught that all members of all religions can repent at the very last minute of the Great Tribulation and be saved because Jehovah wants everyone to be saved including all the members from all religions. That was in last year's annual meeting.

The soft approach has already been in place for years, guess you just haven't seen it because you don't attend Kingdom Hall meetings anymore.

You can greet disfellowshipped people, men can wear beards, women pants, no one should judge their brother or sister if they are dating an unbeliever, you can go to College, elders are seeking disfellowshipped ones to see if they want to be reinstated and if so they will be reinstated quickly, parents of Children who have committed fornication will be allowed to help them instead of instant judicial committee. Members don't have to count time anymore. And there's a lot more that I can't remember.

Anyone here late 50s and up don't realize the Watchtower has totally changed from when you were in. No one talks anymore about not growing old in this system, not one talks about Babylon the Great drying up like the waters of Babylon, no young one talks that we are living in the last days.

It's only congregations where the entire body of elders are boomers, and most of the publishers are over 50 that are fighting hard to keep the old stance on these new changes. These old ones don't even know of all the changes that have happened in the past two or three years. They still call the organization; "MOTHER"

Once they are gone, every JW member will be the NEW US!.........Welcome to the Real!

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Director of ICE, appointed by President Biden, has released a report of the number of criminals deliberately brought into the United States.

by liam in

the director of ice appointed by biden couldn't contain anymore what the biden administration was secretly hiding from the american people and congress.

so he released his report a few days ago to congress, and revealed that hundreds of thousands of criminals and terrorists from afghanistan were being flown into the country in private planes during the night and releasing them into all the states.

this is not a republican report.

liam

enoughisenough

the powers that be want to create so much havoc people who might vote red won't be able to get to the polls. The other is because of the large lithium deposit and a special quartz found only in that area that is used in computer chips- so it is about a land grab

It wouldn't surprise me if what you have said is true. History continues to teach us that humans have a strong tenancy to grab anything that will give them an edge............some call it survival, others call it Power.

The masses of the populations don't have the time to look at all the conspiracies on the web and then take the time to research and fact check because it takes a lot of time which they don't have. The masses are busy trying to survive, working, raising and caring for a family, putting out fires.

The problem is that sometimes conspiracies are True!

The Elites and the Politicians have all the time in the world and the legal power to destabilize an entire Country.

In fact, all it takes is just one person to destabilize an entire Country.

Consider George Soros. Many people consider him financier, an author, a good hearted philanthropist, and a political activist for the good of the common people. But nothing is further from the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBZnau8Px5E

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Director of ICE, appointed by President Biden, has released a report of the number of criminals deliberately brought into the United States.

by liam in

the director of ice appointed by biden couldn't contain anymore what the biden administration was secretly hiding from the american people and congress.

so he released his report a few days ago to congress, and revealed that hundreds of thousands of criminals and terrorists from afghanistan were being flown into the country in private planes during the night and releasing them into all the states.

this is not a republican report.

liam

Listener Are illegals now allowed to vote in elections?

The Republicans passed a bill to require a Voter ID for voting for the President.

The Democrats rejected the voter ID Bill in the Senate a few day ago

That Democrats have been rejecting any bill that required ID to Vote for decades

Some States have taken it upon themselves to require Voter ID

Most States run by Democrats don't require Voter ID

It's against the law for illegals to vote, but if no ID is required to vote for the next President, that means that anyone can actually go and vote in a Democrat run city because a required ID is not required. Which means Illegal Immigrants can go and vote and no one is going to arrest them.

That's the reason they have been giving illegal immigrants free housing in the finest apt. in NY and other democrat run cities, and a credit card and were planing to give them money for a down payment for a house. I'm not sure if that bill went through or if the President had something to do with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr6g0DrVwps

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Director of ICE, appointed by President Biden, has released a report of the number of criminals deliberately brought into the United States.

by liam in

the director of ice appointed by biden couldn't contain anymore what the biden administration was secretly hiding from the american people and congress.

so he released his report a few days ago to congress, and revealed that hundreds of thousands of criminals and terrorists from afghanistan were being flown into the country in private planes during the night and releasing them into all the states.

this is not a republican report.

liam

peacefulpete

So, Democrats are secretly turning the world gay and trans while importing hundreds of thousands of Islamic extremists who hate gays.

Several News media have said the same thing because it makes no sense.

What many are finally starting to find out is that Democrats who believe in the Marxist ideology have been working for decades in ideological subversion. They have been working on changing the perception of reality in the minds of Americans, especially young people entering the Universities. These young people are going to be the Congressmen, the Senators, the Judges, the Lawyers the Governors of the Future America. They will have the power to change the legal structure of the entire Country.

Their Goal has been to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite the abundance of information, no one is able to come to a sensible conclusion in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, their Country.

Here is an example of a University Professor who perception of reality has already been twisted to the point that she now believes that a man can be a woman. And she believes that any man no matter what age, if he claims to be a woman, he has every right to bath with a girl as young as 8 or teen, or any age, in a bathroom. The professor is fighting to make it legal but the Congresswomen is making sure this never becomes legal in America. This doesn’t need to be fact checked because it’s coming straight from a Congressional hearing that’s open for public view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sciU3UBUnRQ

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Director of ICE, appointed by President Biden, has released a report of the number of criminals deliberately brought into the United States.

by liam in

the director of ice appointed by biden couldn't contain anymore what the biden administration was secretly hiding from the american people and congress.

so he released his report a few days ago to congress, and revealed that hundreds of thousands of criminals and terrorists from afghanistan were being flown into the country in private planes during the night and releasing them into all the states.

this is not a republican report.

liam

hoser

What is their end game.

They are letting them in with the understanding that they vote Democrat in the Presidential election. There are between 10-30 million that have entered the Country illegally. It's hard to tell now because thousands are entering every day and night. So this many illegally immigrants would assure the Democrat party to be the only party in power for years.

Several Democrats have already voiced that the US Constitution is obsolete for our modern times and need to be abolished. They want to do away with the Supreme Court, free speech, confiscate all the guns, remove the electrol college, and some other crazy things.

Why? For the same reason 8 million people believer the Watchtower is God's True Organization and everyone else belongs to Satan. ............Ideology!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/F3iAfD40Nrc

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Director of ICE, appointed by President Biden, has released a report of the number of criminals deliberately brought into the United States.

by liam in

the director of ice appointed by biden couldn't contain anymore what the biden administration was secretly hiding from the american people and congress.

so he released his report a few days ago to congress, and revealed that hundreds of thousands of criminals and terrorists from afghanistan were being flown into the country in private planes during the night and releasing them into all the states.

this is not a republican report.

liam

The director of Ice appointed by Biden couldn't contain anymore what the Biden administration was secretly hiding from the American People and Congress. So he released his report a few days ago to Congress, and revealed that hundreds of thousands of criminals and terrorists from Afghanistan were being flown into the Country in private planes during the night and releasing them into all the States.

This is not a Republican Report. This report is by the director appointed by President Biden.

Kamala as Vice President was in charge of the border during the past three plus years and knew about this.

So it's starting to seem like a group of people in the Democratic party are trying to destroy the USA. This is why you see thousands of College students in prestigious Universities ranting in their protests; "DESTROY AMERICA"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y6oseyyU7w

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JEHOVAH'S WITNESS STUPID: a special category of ignorance

by Terry in

worse than being stupid is thinking you are smart while you are stupid.. i should know.. for many years i was a special category of "stupid"; i was jehovah's witness stupid.. .

what does that entail?

listen and i'll tell you.. ___________________________________________________________.

liam

This is interesting. Eleven years ago this exjw name Terry said this would happened in 2024

Now think of what he said about WT articles being batshit crazy in 2024.

HE HAD NO IDEA!

Terry........................11 years ago.

Yes, as we enter the year of 2014 I fully expect the Watchtower articles to be batshit crazy because

100 years of nothing but bullshit acts as an unavoidable disconfirmation of JW doctrine.

Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy year.

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Half hearted JWs compared to past generations

by JohnR1975 in

is it just me or has there been a massive change in jws of late?.

when i grew up in the cult they had a real sense of urgency and would do an hour minimum, these days it’s not even ten mins before coffee break.. same goes for everything else, it’s half hearted .

liam

ThomasMore

So what happened to JWs to make them give up on the preaching that was once a hallmark of their existence?

It’s actually very simple. Jehovah’s Witness’s preaching was based on the idea that the Last Days started in 1914. And that teaching included the idea that the Generation that saw and understood what 1914 signified, would start off with a 15 year old person.

(The reason being is because a person who understood would have to be at least 15 years old to understand correctly what 1914 meant)

That 15 year old kid would be the start of the Generation that Jesus Christ referred to when he said.

“This Generation will not pass away until all these things occur” ………..Including the New Order.

They expressed the idea in a strong and forceful manner from that day forward. That Generation that saw and understood that 1914 was the Beginning of the Last days, would not get old and die off BEFORE the New Order had arrived.

Another way they put it;

Many will not grow old. …….. Some will not finish School.

In the publication Reasoning from the Scriptures p.97 it said this;

"Before the last members of the generation that was alive in 1914 will have passed off the scene, all the things foretold will occur, including the “great tribulation” in which the present wicked world will end."

In May 15, 1984 that kid that saw and understood what 1914 meant, was now 85 years old. To prove that the Governing Body still Believed that the end was real close, they printed this Awake magazine and distributed to all congregations, to distribute to as many people as possible.

See bottom picture;

But in the year 1995, it became obvious that the Governing Body finally figured out they were wrong about the generation. So the first step was to slowly change the idea of the 15 year old kid who was alive in 1914 and understood that it was the beginning of the last days, WAS NOT Part of the Generation anymore.

Fist Step was to change the mast head on the Awake which read for many years like this;

Why is Awake! Published Awake is for the enlightenment of the entire family. It shows how to cope with today’s problems. It reports the news, tells about people in many lands, examines religion and science. But it does more. It probes beneath the surface and points to the real meaning behind current events, yet it always stays politically neutral and does not exalt on race above another. Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new World BEFORE THE GENERATION THAT SAW THE EVENTS OF 1914 PASSES AWAY.

October 22, 1995

Second Step was start slowing hinting away at the idea that “The Generation” could mean something else in their Watchtower Study Publication used on Sundays for members only.

And finally the Overlapping Generation was introduced and the members ate it like candy.

Mormons ideology is not based on the Last Days starting at a certain year. Neither is any other cult. That’s why the Mormons will continue till the actual last days of the human species.

Watchtower 1984 May 15 cover 1914

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Half hearted JWs compared to past generations

by JohnR1975 in

is it just me or has there been a massive change in jws of late?.

when i grew up in the cult they had a real sense of urgency and would do an hour minimum, these days it’s not even ten mins before coffee break.. same goes for everything else, it’s half hearted .

liam

LongHairGal

I was the ‘low hour publisher’ who got judged over this

There is a sister who told me the same thing. She use to baby sit me and now she is collecting Social Security. She was single and was a regular pioneer, so she made a little bit of money taking care of me on weekends. I still visit her and help her out financially because she was very nice to me growing up.

But a year ago she told me her story. I was surprise she would tell me. I had no idea the kind of life she lived. I thought everything was rosie with her because she was always smiling and was very friendly and outgoing in the Kingdom Hall. But that was not the case. It was a front.

She always wanted to find someone to love her and get married, have children, but had to work when she turned 18 to help her mom. And she could only date Jehovah’s Witnesses. She said there were plenty of real handsome men that wanted to take her out for a meal or an outing, but she didn’t want to displease Jehovah so declined She focused on “Brothers in the Kingdom Hall and the circuit, but no brother wanted to marry her because she was not spiritual enough, otherwise she would be pioneering.

Her mom died when she was about 30ish and then she started pioneering. So she thought that now Jehovah would bless her. Then after a few years when she was starting to get close to her 40s, she noticed that the JW brothers wanted real young girls that were pioneering. In the mean time, she said there were several non-jw men asking her out in her part time jobs. But she declinedfor the same reason… Jehovah.

Now she collects Social Security and has a hard time financially. Also, most of her close friends have pass away or married and moved away. Now in her Kingdom Hall very few attend. She said about 30- 40 people attend on Sunday and leave right away. No one stops to associate anymore. So she’s alone and I’m the only one who visits her from time to time.

She cries a lot when I visit. Sometimes she cries for a long time and I feel real sad for her. Even though I don’t believe in God, I tell her that God is going to bless her for her faithfulness. And she calms down and thanks me.

If she passes, I’ll probably have to make arrangements for her funeral and take care of all that. I’ll probably try to get someone to give some kind of talk, probably my dad. That way she will have someone that really cared for her………..Me!

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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting

by slimboyfat in

say it ain’t so!

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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?

liam

They'll eat it like candy!