i faded from the religion and simply didn’t go back.
once people understood that my family and i left, people in the congregation didn’t know what to do.
should they call me, visit me, leave me alone?
we simply faded over ten years ago, walked out and never went back. I suppose they simply view us as "lapsed", which is not true, we are EX JW's, and NEVER will return.
That`s what bugged me Phizzy after about 15 years out. So i decided to DA myself and in my mind I DF the religion from me and not vice versa.
so what exactly have they been doing now , with the exception of intervening thousands of years ago, what exactly do they do in heaven?
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Guardian Angels don`t seem to do a very good job in protecting people from what I have observed of believers.
They all should be sacked .
And if their record is anything to go by then other Angels can`t be doing any better ,so they also should be sacked.
And Jehovah being the CEO of this mob can`t get any better results then he also should be sacked .
Sack the lot of them they all seem pretty piss weak to me.
i never understood this.
the wt depicts jesus, the all powerful one to destroy evil, being depicted as using a bow and arrow from a horse.
that seems like something from medieval times.. in todays world of nuclear bombs, precision laser directed bombs and advanced military technology, does a bow and arrow really put a fear into anyone?.
Don`t forget the loving God Jehovah sent men into battle with a two edged sword with the command kill everybody man,woman,and child ,and don`t let your eye feel sorry for them .
Can you imagine running a two edged sword into another human being ,let alone a child ?
hi everyone.. i would love to collate the experiences of those who decided to disassociate.
the reason i am asking this question is that i have been in turmoil for a very long time as to whether i remain a fader or whether to bring closure on my membership with the watchtower organisation.. it is for this reason i would like to read about some of the experiences of those on this forum who went down the route of disassociation.
if could answer the following.
I must have been out for about 15 years when I decided to DA.
And mainly it was because of experiences I heard on here.
I figured it was me DF the religion and not the other way round .It didn`t sit well with me thinking that they would just regard me as weak in the truth or just inactive ,so I felt I needed to make a statement,so I sent a letter of DA to the last KH I attended.
I had no family left in except a niece who had no contact with us anyway.
I have no regrets.
i never understood this.
the wt depicts jesus, the all powerful one to destroy evil, being depicted as using a bow and arrow from a horse.
that seems like something from medieval times.. in todays world of nuclear bombs, precision laser directed bombs and advanced military technology, does a bow and arrow really put a fear into anyone?.
If the Bible really was the word of God ,then you would think their would be stuff in there that was far beyond the technology of the writer of the day.
But apparently Jehovah had no idea himself what humans could develop technology wise.
all jws are supposed to be “ ministers”.
i would think that anyone that is considered a minister should have immense knowledge of their religion and should be able to teach anyone who inquires of the teachings.
my understanding is that most witnesses cannot explain even basic teachings without difficulty.
Ye of little faith ,don`t you know that 10 year olds are considered ministers of religion in the JW religion ?
When they are baptised ?
Evidently Jehovah overlaps there brain with all of this knowledge to make it so.
in all of the art i`ve seen in christendom, angels always have the form of a male, and in the bible those that are named always have a male name such as michael ,gabriel , etc, .
nowhere in the art world that i have seen do angels have the female form, and in the bible they don`t have female names.. so if the angels are neither male or female why then are they depicted as males with male names ?and not female also ?.
the watchtower illustrators also follow this line .when they illustrate an angel it is always in the form of a male and never a female form.. the anointed who make up the 144000 comprise of male and females right ?
What do you mean? Female angels are EVERYWHERE in modern art.
Hi, Nevuela I was thinking of inside Christian churches & mainly thinking about JW`s and their illustrations however I guess I have to eat my words on that score .
Thanks for the pics.
in all of the art i`ve seen in christendom, angels always have the form of a male, and in the bible those that are named always have a male name such as michael ,gabriel , etc, .
nowhere in the art world that i have seen do angels have the female form, and in the bible they don`t have female names.. so if the angels are neither male or female why then are they depicted as males with male names ?and not female also ?.
the watchtower illustrators also follow this line .when they illustrate an angel it is always in the form of a male and never a female form.. the anointed who make up the 144000 comprise of male and females right ?
When God said let us make a man like us and created Adam, it seems He did not have any plans of creating a woman.
Reason on that scripture Daniel ," God said let US make man in our image " that implys their were other Gods and not just Jehovah/Yahweh
And it could also imply that these Gods were male ?
Eve was created because Adam was seen as being lonely.
All of the animals were created male and female before him otherwise they would all have died out the same as the human race so it was a natural thing to create a woman for Adam.
Animals were not created asexual ,they needed a male and female counterpart.
Its a completely different scenario with Angels from what we as humans understand they were never designed to procreate as male and females.
So the desire of Angels to have sex with daughters of men was an abomination.
in all of the art i`ve seen in christendom, angels always have the form of a male, and in the bible those that are named always have a male name such as michael ,gabriel , etc, .
nowhere in the art world that i have seen do angels have the female form, and in the bible they don`t have female names.. so if the angels are neither male or female why then are they depicted as males with male names ?and not female also ?.
the watchtower illustrators also follow this line .when they illustrate an angel it is always in the form of a male and never a female form.. the anointed who make up the 144000 comprise of male and females right ?
I am a Christian, though not a member of Jehovah Witness congregation. I agree with most of JW's standpoints in regard to the scriptures. However, I just do not subscribe to certain beliefs and articles posted on the magazines as the mainstream JW faith.
Thank you for that Daniel , are you aware that this site is foremost an ex-JW site made up of many many people who have been in the JW religion for decades and have now left it because they believe in all sincerity they have been lied to and deceived in their lifetime by the Governing Body that controls all aspects of this religion to its members to the detriment of its members.?
Please look at jwfacts.com before you are sucked in by a cult.
Take care
in all of the art i`ve seen in christendom, angels always have the form of a male, and in the bible those that are named always have a male name such as michael ,gabriel , etc, .
nowhere in the art world that i have seen do angels have the female form, and in the bible they don`t have female names.. so if the angels are neither male or female why then are they depicted as males with male names ?and not female also ?.
the watchtower illustrators also follow this line .when they illustrate an angel it is always in the form of a male and never a female form.. the anointed who make up the 144000 comprise of male and females right ?
Welcome to the board Daniel you say the kingdom of God is not a democracy, its a monarchy.
I beg to differ here because its really a Theocracy . Not a monarchy. Theirs a big difference.
however lets not quibble over words.
I don't know why many people interpret the Bible and angels as being of neuter gender.
Maybe its because the Bible only gives us this interpretation and nothing else .
Its had four thousand years to set that matter straight and it has never done so.
However, the concept of free will exists.
Are you serious about this ? free will exists ? If you don`t do what I tell you to do you will die .?
There may be millions or billions of female angels but they are just not brought to our purview may be because of several reasons so let us deal with that. It is as it is
That is just pure speculation on your part with no basis for belief in scripture ,you just want to believe that.
There is a hierarchy in everything, not even the angels are equal in rank power and duties.
I will grant you that ,i think the bible is pretty clear on that .But that does not address the question of the OP
