i know what you may be thinking by the title but bear with me.
have you ever reflected on past service experiences and think wow if only i had listened to a householder?
two things come to my mind of personal experience.
I read "I Was A WatchTower Slave For Thirty Years" when I was relatively new as a convert, however i was conditioned then that we would be persecuted for the truths sake even by disgruntled members .
And that`s what I put it down too a disgruntled member .
At that time I believed what I wanted to believe ,I was disillusioned with where I thought my life was heading.
So his book made no impression upon me , sad to say.
could someone help me with this question please as it has been on my mind for sometime.
watchtower comes along and changes the typical anti typical beliefs and with a stroke of the pen eliminates years of books and teachings.
why does this not apply to 1914?
Thanks johnamos for those clarifications I have been out for so long I wasn`t aware of those changes .
And it makes you wonder why the old timers aren`t leaving in droves ....or are they ?
whatever we think of it, you have to admit that it's quite "genius".. the door to door ministry as done in western developed countries where the jw quirky religion has probably reached their saturation level was a complete and utter waste of time in terms of the effort expended to recruit people.. at the same time, it was rarely something that anyone enjoyed which led to people being labelled as inactive, being pressured to doing more and maybe ultimately deciding jwism wasn't for them and leaving.. there was also the issue that many jws are actually pretty bad at knowing and articulating their beliefs so were pretty incapable of getting any meaningful message across.. they solved all this with the cart witnessing.
the real point isn't to recruit, it's to make life easier for jws.
now they can stand and chat with their friend, have a coffee, not talk to anyone or make eye contact and still act as a walking billboard for jw.org.
I agree with you 100% Amelia Ashton
i just wonder how the elders see the cart witnessing they always want to show co when he comes to visit how congregation covers the territory.
but there must be a great problem with that now as pioneers prefer sitting drinking coffee beside a cart.
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And what Jehovah`s Witnesses fail to realize is that Christendom has known and made the name Jehovah around the world since the 13th Century .
Raymundus Martinus a spanish Monk came up with that name translating the four Hebrew letters of the Tetragrammaton into latin as JHVH and added some vowels and presto ...Jehovah.
The name has been in Christian literature ever since the 13th Century and is engraved on numerous Churches throughout Christendom all over the world incl. Europe ,South America ,and even here in Australia.
of course, there are many crackpot theories about all sorts of things.
we hear about them,look into them and laugh.however, once in a great while, somebody presents a cogent and feasible thesis backed up by scholarship and history.watch this video presentation and present your rebuttal (or agreement) for discussion.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uqg8w7ezuq&t=268s.
If Jesus was the son of God and had such an all important Salvation message to deliver to all mankind why did we only get second and third person accounts of his life and ministry ?
Which by the way when you analyse it all doesn`t really say that much on its own .
Why didn`t Jesus Christ himself write down any information that would be beneficial for all mankind ?
Moses was supposed to have written five books ,the greater Moses ,Jesus Christ ? wrote None.?
some of the local witnesses have been by, periodically, to check on us and say that they miss us.
i consider that a decent thing to do since they figure that we're going to die any day now from the loving god.
some have been elders, who have to always stay distant so that they don't somehow get contaminated by being too nice to us.
Why not ask them if they will be happy if your friend a lawyer sits with you when they come by as a second witness.?
as you are all aware the elders are instructed that when they come across a case of “child sexual abuse” they have to call the “legal desk” / “legal department”.
prior to 1993 this was the policy that as an elder we had.
do you know when this policy was introduced or started and what was the history behind it?.
This is very interesting and I hope newbies take the time to read all of this information also.
whatever we think of it, you have to admit that it's quite "genius".. the door to door ministry as done in western developed countries where the jw quirky religion has probably reached their saturation level was a complete and utter waste of time in terms of the effort expended to recruit people.. at the same time, it was rarely something that anyone enjoyed which led to people being labelled as inactive, being pressured to doing more and maybe ultimately deciding jwism wasn't for them and leaving.. there was also the issue that many jws are actually pretty bad at knowing and articulating their beliefs so were pretty incapable of getting any meaningful message across.. they solved all this with the cart witnessing.
the real point isn't to recruit, it's to make life easier for jws.
now they can stand and chat with their friend, have a coffee, not talk to anyone or make eye contact and still act as a walking billboard for jw.org.
Jehovah`s Witnesses that man ( male or female ) carts are guilty of lying to their God they worship claiming they are witnessing for him and his son Christ Jesus ,when they don`t have any conversation with a non JW person in all the time that they are manning these carts.
They are lying when they put in their reports.
I have heard it said , just by our being their is a witness on its own ?
If that`s the case Churches of Christendom are witnesses of their faith .
i just wonder how the elders see the cart witnessing they always want to show co when he comes to visit how congregation covers the territory.
but there must be a great problem with that now as pioneers prefer sitting drinking coffee beside a cart.
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So Pioneers now can sit down having coffee manning or womanning a cart not talk to any non witnesses and then at the end of the month put in a report that they spent 60 hours or whatever it is now witnessing for Jehovah about Christs Kingdom ,when in fact they spoke to no one outside of their own faith who dropped by.
Have they no conscience lying to their God ?
i've been debating whether or not to post this story simply because the org knows who i am (post history from pre-'05 will tell you all you need to know), and i'm not sure if they would give my parents shit if they knew what transpired earlier this summer.
but you know what, i don't care what they do, because my mom is dying of stage iv cancer and i feel this needs to be heard by anyone struggling with the loss of contact from their relatives.. for those who are not familiar with my background, i became a small thorn in the side of the wts while i was still in.
i'm not big on being deceived, and for me, the org crossed my personal 'red line' when it came to blood and the child abuse issue.
Thanks for sharing your story jouries
