Posts by Tatiana

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Writing to the WTS regarding the child abuse payouts. What money was used?

by jambon1 in

what money was used to settle these cases?

the world wide work contributions?

has anyone written to them to clarify this issue?

Tatiana

I would surely love it if an "elder" wrote to the society about this and posted it. Millions of dollars from the contribution box and "worldly" people? For shame.....

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MORE Radio discussion of Dennis Lindberg: His Dad speaks up!

by Nathan Natas in

today seattle talk radio host mr. dori monson had an interview with dennis lindberg senior - the father of the 14 year old jw who elected to die rather than take a blood transfusion to help cure his leukemia.. one call that stood out to me was from a jw who called and said that in his 40 years as a jw, he never knew of anyone who was da's or df'd for taking a blood transfusion.

he got real evasive when the host tried to clarify the point.

what is immediately obvious to us is that the jw did not say he knew anyone who had taken a blood transfusion; only that he did not know any who were da'd or df'd for taking a transfusion.

Tatiana

WOW.......so many comments! I just spent most of my day reading all of them. Nathan.......is all I can say! I would really like to know if the court records are unsealed. I'm sure we don't know the whole story. There are many of Dennis' "friends" posting on the blog, and the following offer some telling info! What I got out of it was that many of Dennis' NON-JW friends were there, and were not allowed to talk to him.

To all of you who really want to make a differance and put a stop to this insanity please contact your congressmen and state representatives to get the laws changed to protect these children from misinformation and becoming unwilling victims of the "spiritual family". Please lets not Dennis' death be in vain. He did not want to die; he was trapped and his freinds(who had been called "satan") could only watch in horror as an ill informed judge made a decision that sealed Dennis' fate. Dennis never had a chance after he went to hospital.

They had it all planned, they changed doctors until they found one who would honor their wishes then they got Dennis a "mature minor" classification so CPS would have a hard time interveining and finaly the monitored contact with Dennis (for his own good). Yes Dennis was made to be a martyr, but just maybe this can back fire on them if we put enough pressure on the elected officials.

Posted by: Gary Curry

Dennis is a very wise young man whom we have grown to love very much over the years. If I truly believed this decision was his own and not coerced, I would feel much more comfortable supporting him. As it stands, however, we will never truly know HOW Dennis feels.

Dennis' environment has been "patrolled" constantly since he was hospitalized and no one has been allowed to speak to him in ANY form without a church member present. This leads me to believe they are nervous about him saying the wrong thing. If his aunt is so sure this decision is his... let his friends and others who love him talk with him instead of refusing to let anyone near him or monitoring his every move.

Sadly enough, it will take death for this wonderful young man to realize the impact he's made on the hearts of those around him and I can assure you that when I hear a knock on my door next time and find Jehovah's Witnesses trying to "share the good news", I may just welcome them in and try and save them from themselves rather than ducking into the bathroom and pretending I'm not home.

Posted by: Friends of Dennis

Give me a break! If you grew up in the hell I and thousands of others like me grew up in with the JW's you'd be a little less tolerant yourself. This is abuse, plain and simple. No one should be tolerant of abuse or the killing of a child. They are experts at isolation and brainwashing. This is what they did to this young boy. They isolated him while he was in the hospital so no one "worldly" could speak any sense into the situation. They brainwashed this boy, plain and simple. It's what they do.

PLEASE, someone, an investigative reporter, someone in law enforcement, a judge, a politician, someone needs to look into what they are doing to these children. Myself and many many others who escaped this cult will do anything to help with an official investigation into this. We cannot let them get away with the killing of this child. Someone needs to stand up for him. I beckon all of you to write to the Judge who made this decision on the Skagit County Superior Court, the doctors who supported a 14 year old child's brainwashed choice to die, the JWs themselves with your outrage. Someone needs to do something about this!

Posted by: Brenda

There is an elephant in the room here that few people, certainly not the JWs, are seeing.

This boy DID NOT choose to die. He was forced. The JW blood ban is coercive, in several ways.

First, he was told that he would be shunned, expelled, probably kicked out of his home, if he ever disobeyed the strict JW laws. The facts are that about 70% of children raised as JWs (in the USA) DO leave the cult, but most do not do so until they are 16-18, because not only do they have to create a whole new social and support network, they also have to find a place to live. This boy died at an age where no one can be certain that he truly believed in JW dogma, that his decision was not in any way influenced by fear of finding himself thrown out on the street (with leukemia, no less).

Second: He never got a chance to hear opposing points of view. He was essentially guarded 24/7 by JW officials who prevented him from hearing any dissenting voices, and who almost certainly did not allow him to hear an honest appraisal of his medical condition and a realistic prognosis. They almost certainly told him that doctors are talking out their ass when they say he 'needed' blood, that his chances were in fact better without the blood transfusion. If this was his choice, if he was old enough to make up his own mind, then why deny him the information he needed to make a mature decision? Why did he need to be guarded, why were his contacts, letters, phone calls vetted by JW officials?

And yes, withholding necessary medical treatment, voluntarily, is much the same as withholding necessary food and water. It's criminal neglect, it's murder...

JWs walk a very fine line by continually trying to cast doubt on the efficacy of blood transfusions as a treatment, which allows them to make the claim that no one could have known with 100% certainty that the boy would die without a blood transfusion. They routinely accuse doctors of negligence for not administering blood substitutes (even though there are none that would have saved this boy's life). They routinely misrepresent scientific research, medical reports, misuse statistics to justify their position; not because they are convinced that blood is abhorrent to God (after all, they do accept 97% of whole blood, in component form), but because they are terrified of multi-million dollar lawsuits. They are afraid that if they begin to allow blood transfusions, the families of their thousands of victims will sue them and take every penny they have fleeced from their flock.

This boy was not a willing martyr. He was a human sacrifice, killed on the altar of greed.

Posted by: Kingsmeg | November 29, 2007 2:30 PM

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Who's crazy NOW! Here is Proof of the NAU "Video Candian Congress"

by skyking in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br31mdp8-ug.

the video is short but it proves that bush is a lier, period.

some of you can remember i was damned for posting information about this.

Tatiana

I apologize. I didn't know you had no sound. Here are a few articles on what is happening.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52077

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50618

You state that you " look forward to the day when national borders are brought down and we become a world community." That would be a wondeful thing, if I trusted the government to "do the right thing." But, as we have seen, that's not possible. If this is all in our best interest, why all the secrecy? (see second article) And if I lived in Canada, I'd be afraid. You have universal health care now. Which should be every human beings right. How long do you think that will still be an option, once the USA brings its health insurance lobbyists and HMO's across your border? Of course, it would be wonderful if Canada helped America "see the light." Alas, I have a feeling our "corporate-run" country will use its power to "influence" everyone.

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WHERE DO YOU POST FROM? ANY PARTICULAR TIME?

by Dansk in

jw
friends

when i started posting this morning it struck me that i was in the company of others around the world who were just getting up or going to bed.

one can actually see when the brits have hit the forum - like now .

do you post from home or work or both?.

Tatiana

As has already been stated, one can see who's getting up by the sudden flurry of posts.

Getting up? I'm just going to bed. (4:45am) Hot night.

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My cousin died yesterday.

by nicolaou in

he was 43, just a few months older than me.

his kidneys failed him when he was just 15 and he'd been on dialysis ever since.

a couple of transplants had failed in the early years and his body deteriorated after that.

Tatiana

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Who's crazy NOW! Here is Proof of the NAU "Video Candian Congress"

by skyking in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br31mdp8-ug.

the video is short but it proves that bush is a lier, period.

some of you can remember i was damned for posting information about this.

Tatiana

But, skyking.....I hate to say it, but each time I'm asked for proof and provide it...there is an echo. I don't understand why people are not taking this more seriously. I guess we'll just wait until it's too late, THEN start complaining. :(

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Who's crazy NOW! Here is Proof of the NAU "Video Candian Congress"

by skyking in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br31mdp8-ug.

the video is short but it proves that bush is a lier, period.

some of you can remember i was damned for posting information about this.

Tatiana

jgnat....I'm not one to watch youtube for my news. And I hate all the videos that spout any and everything and expect you to believe it. The videos I watched were from CNN and MSNBC. Their news moves so fast that their sites update constantly. So youtube is a way to see the news reports later. I have researched this, and it is true. The fact that not many people have heard of it is the scary part.

Here is a link with some excerpts from Lou Dobbs report. And just about everything you ever want to know about the subject. Be sure to click on #19...Public reaction.

http://www.freedom.org/naugreen2/player.html

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Noidea and Myself's mother just passed away

by Tinkerbell4125 in

jw
friends

i just got off the phone with carla.

carla and paula's mother has just passed away.

carla said that paula had been checking her post on and off all through the night and that it gave her much comfort in knowing that so many replied and showed that they cared.