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Robert King aka e-watchman

by RolRod in

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there have been a few post about robert king, the first was 16 years ago, the last was 9 years ago.

just to the let the old timers here know, he's still at it.

and for you newbies, robert king who wrote "jehovah himself has become king.

Duran

a watcher2 hours agoRobert King has a better understanding of prophecy than the GB does.

If that is true and you think that Mr. erroneous-watchman knows what the hell he is talking about and is willing to live up to his statement he made in his quote above, then you should have no problem posting a link of this thread to the thread over there and ask him if he is willing to defend in front of everyone all that I asked him just before he banned me? (Which you can't see now all I said/asked there because he edited and deleted most of everything I said because he knows that even the fools there that hang on his every word would wonder how he is going to explain away what I asked/showed.) I will ask again here where he can't delete and ban people and information that shows what a lying fraud he is.

Remember, according to RK when he was 'You Know' and speaking about this form here he said:

it also serves as a platform for me to defend my faith in a public forum. Over the years I have appreciated the opportunity provided by this and other forums to confront and refute various challenges that apostates have presented to our precious faith. To date I can honestly boast that my apostate enemies have failed to present any challenge which I have not been able to refute using the word of my God.

Are you willing to post this there and give him the chance to refute a challenge from his buddy Frank?

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Robert King aka e-watchman

by RolRod in

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there have been a few post about robert king, the first was 16 years ago, the last was 9 years ago.

just to the let the old timers here know, he's still at it.

and for you newbies, robert king who wrote "jehovah himself has become king.

Duran

This thread is an interesting find for me based on a recent experience. I have that experience to share along with a challenge to those here that read it but are someone that post on that other site. (Like a watcher does.) The challenge is that when you read it, will you post a link on that site to inform the host of that site that he is being challenged ‘to defend his faith in a public forum’ as he said once before when he posted here on this site as ‘You Know’.

Don’t inform him privately giving him a free pass to ignore such challenge. Post it in the thread right where he banned me and then he immediately edited my post to hide all I said that explained why I said the small portion of what he did leave there from my post. (Take a look at it now to see that it was last edited by moderator. He probably once getting wind of this will delete the whole post to hide that he edited. I posted it @ 7:22, he banned me at @ 7:35 and edited it @7:36)

Let all his readers know that he is no better than the GB in their lying and twisting the Scriptures to go alone with what they want them to say and then if someone points it out they call them an apostate and disfellowship them. In this case ban them and get rid of what proves them wrong and shows that they are twisting the Scriptures to fit their lying claims just like the WTS does.

Before I post my experience and raise the questions for Robert King to defend before everyone here and on his site, I am going to post a few comments from this site in regard to RK.

The first is from RK himself:

You Know22 years ago
I just wanted to take a moment and thank you for providing this forum. Of course, I realize that it's intended purpose is to serve as a stumbling block for Jehovah's Witnesses, yet at the same time it also serves as a platform for me to defend my faith in a public forum. Over the years I have appreciated the opportunity provided by this and other forums to confront and refute various challenges that apostates have presented to our precious faith. To date I can honestly boast that my apostate enemies have failed to present any challenge which I have not been able to refute using the word of my God. It's been faith strengthening and a privilege for me to see how the apostle's words come to bear on the situation: In no respect being frightened by your opponents. This very thing is proof of destruction for them, but of salvation for you; and this indication is from God.
Thanks again. / You Know

The next is from the one that started this thread:

RolRod2 years ago
There have been a few post about Robert King, the first was 16 years ago, the last was 9 years ago.
Just to the let the old timers here know, he's still at it. And for you newbies, Robert King who wrote "Jehovah himself has become King." He has several websites e-jehovahs-witness and e-watchman as well as podcast, and YouTube channels. He was disfellowshipped some years back. He claims to be anointed. He's been active online since the 90s, gathering a following for himself. He actually believes he's a modern day prophet. All his material, whether written or media, reads, looks and sounds like a Watchtower.
He believed that Jehovah's Witnesses are God's true people, the Israel of God. And just as the Nation of Israel had good and bad kings, so modern-day Israel, aka the JWs have had bad kings or in this case bad Governing Body.
He writes with authority and has quite a following. Just as the GB writes about themselves throughout the scriptures. King himself does the same, only he applies the negatives towards the GB. e.g. when Jehovah speaks about punishing Israel for their misdeeds, he would apply those verses to the GB.
He believes he is Jehovah's chosen to enlighten Jehovah's Witnesses. Ad I stated, he has a following and these people hang on his every word. They have replaced "the Society says" or "did you read the latest Watchtower?" with "Robert King says" and "have you read that article by Robert King?" Or "Robert King wrote about that ...".
He'll tolerate disagreements for a little while, but if you get his followers thinking and he thinks you're misleading his flock he will just ban you. That was my case back in the 90s and then again recently.
I'll post something contrary, people will question me, I'll answer them. Some will say "that's not what Robert King teaches" and then share a link. Or Robert will shut down your account.
Sad that these people have a need to follow someone. Many are either xJWs or PIMO. I just call them fools.
RR

Next two were found within this search here.

frankiespeakin19 years ago
E Watchman wants people to follow him and he censors anybody that does not follow his policies which in effect are don't critize anything I say.
Another Cult leader in the offing. He's just like the WT,, no desention allowed ,,you must walk the party line,, or,, your toast.

Lot19 years ago
Whacko is putting it mildly. This guy wants to be the FDS all by himself.
Lot

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40 Years Ago Today: May 15th 1984 "1914 Generation" issue was released. False prophecy, thy name is WatchTower.

by WingCommander in

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it's incredible how this cover, and also this "series" of watchtower's is burned into my mind.

i was almost 5 years old when these were released.

“1914 and you” — may 1, 1984 watchtower.

Duran

The WT fulfills prophecy all right. Just not how we thought.

13 And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 2 “Son of man, prophesy concerning the prophets of Israel who are prophesying, and you must say to those prophesying out of their own heart, ‘Hear the word of Jehovah. 3 This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Woe to the stupid prophets, who are walking after their own spirit, when there is nothing that they have seen! 6 “They have visioned what is untrue and a lying divination, those who are saying, ‘The utterance of Jehovah is,’ when Jehovah himself has not sent them, and they have waited to have a word come true. 7 Is it not an untrue vision that YOU men have visioned, and a lying divination that YOU have said, when saying, ‘The utterance of Jehovah is,’ when I myself have spoken nothing?”’

8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “‘For the reason that YOU men have spoken untruth and YOU have visioned a lie, therefore here I am against YOU,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.” 9 And my hand has come to be against the prophets that are visioning untruth and that are divining a lie. In the intimate group of my people they will not continue on, and in the register of the house of Israel they will not be written, and to the soil of Israel they will not come; and YOU people will have to know that I am the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, 10 for the reason, yes, for the reason that they have led my people astray, saying, “There is peace!” when there is no peace, and there is one that is building a partition wall, but in vain there are those plastering it with whitewash.’

11 “Say to those plastering with whitewash that it will fall. A flooding downpour will certainly occur, and YOU, O hailstones, will fall, and a blast of windstorms itself will cause a splitting. 12 And, look! the wall must fall. Will it not be said to YOU men, ‘Where is the coating with which YOU did the plastering?’

13 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘I will also cause a blast of windstorms to burst forth in my rage, and in my anger there will occur a flooding downpour, and in rage there will be hailstones for an extermination. 14 And I will tear down the wall that YOU men have plastered with whitewash and bring it into contact with the earth, and its foundation must be exposed. And she will certainly fall, and YOU must come to an end in the midst of her; and YOU will have to know that I am Jehovah.’

15 “‘And I will bring my rage to its finish upon the wall and upon those plastering it with whitewash, and I shall say to YOU men: “The wall is no more, and those plastering it are no more, 16 the prophets of Israel that are prophesying to Jerusalem and that are visioning for her a vision of peace, when there is no peace,”’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.

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40 Years Ago Today: May 15th 1984 "1914 Generation" issue was released. False prophecy, thy name is WatchTower.

by WingCommander in

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friends

it's incredible how this cover, and also this "series" of watchtower's is burned into my mind.

i was almost 5 years old when these were released.

“1914 and you” — may 1, 1984 watchtower.

Duran

Find a copy of WATCH TOWER PUBLICATIONS INDEX 1930-1960. Turn to page 202. There you will find the heading 1914. Go to subheading Kingdom's establishment and under that heading you will find the subsection : prophecies pointing to event.

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Q about Jesus' sacrifice

by oncebitten in

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i have several jw family members.

i have been shunned many years now.

i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.

Duran

Someone teach me how to quote on here?

To me, both statements are saying the same thing. If Adam's sin is what condemned humanity, then Jesus's sacrifice is what saved it. By balancing the scales to negate the cost of Adam's sin, he has given humanity a path for the expiation of their own.

22 For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.

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Memorial of Jesus' death

by Listener in

i was listening to a youtube where a pastor relates his experience of attending a jw memorial.

he said something that was profound to me.. "how do you have a memorial for someone alive?".

they use this phrase all the time, even printing thousands and thousands of invitations to invite everyone to join them in doing this.. i googled that phrase to see what other christian church's use this phrase and was astounded to see that at least the first two pages of results are in relation to jw's only..

Duran

2146. zikkaron

Definition: memorial, remembrance

[23 For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night on which he was going to be betrayed took a loaf, 24 and after giving thanks, he broke it and said: “This means my body, which is in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” 25 He did the same with the cup also, after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood. Keep doing this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he comes.]

[6 You must care for it until the 14th day of this month, and the whole congregation of the assembly of Israel must slaughter it at twilight. 7 They must take some of the blood and splash it on the two doorposts and the upper part of the doorway of the houses in which they eat it.8 “‘They must eat the meat on this night. They should roast it over the fire and eat it along with unleavened bread and bitter greens. 9 Do not eat any of it raw or boiled, cooked in water, but roast it over the fire, its head together with its shanks and its inner parts. 10 You must not save any of it until morning, but any of it left over until morning you should burn with fire. 11 And this is how you should eat it, with your belt fastened, sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you should eat it in a hurry. It is Jehovah’s Passover. 12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt on this night and strike every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from man to beast; and I will execute judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am Jehovah. 13 The blood will serve as your sign on the houses where you are; and I will see the blood and pass over you, and the plague will not come on you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt. 14 “‘This day will serve as a memorial for you, and you must celebrate it as a festival to Jehovah throughout your generations. As a lasting statute, you should celebrate it]

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The ORG'S "foundation" name............

by BoogerMan in

.........jehovah.. the bible's foundation name - (1 corinthians 3:11) "for no one can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is jesus christ.".

the org's chosen name for christians - "jehovah's witnesses.".

jehovah's chosen name for christians - acts 11:26 - "...the disciples were by divine providence called christians.".

Duran

How does knowing and using the Hebrew name of God and His Son matter or help?

I wasn't claiming anything in regard to it helping or not, just making the point about the Latin form doesn't glorify the name of God, that it is the Hebrew form that does.

But as far as knowing/using, it always matters/is helpful to use a name to identify who is being spoken to/about.

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The ORG'S "foundation" name............

by BoogerMan in

.........jehovah.. the bible's foundation name - (1 corinthians 3:11) "for no one can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is jesus christ.".

the org's chosen name for christians - "jehovah's witnesses.".

jehovah's chosen name for christians - acts 11:26 - "...the disciples were by divine providence called christians.".

Duran

Every use of the name Jesus glorifies his God Jehovah.

Actually, the use of that name does not glorify his God. The use of that name is meant to keep hiding the name of God. Any who wanted to glorify God would use the name that was actually given to use.

יהושע - Jehoshua

[ 43 I have come in the name of my Father, but you do not receive me.]

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The Next Big Thing In WT World

by NotFormer in

things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

Duran

Tell that to Jeffro for he has a vested interest in 607 BCE being incorrect!!!
scholar JW

He is right in it being incorrect. The WTS by their pointing to recent events and WW3, etc... shows that it is wrong and pointless to debate 607/587. They used 607 to get to 1914 because WW1 occurred then. Using 587 didn't work so they added 20 magical years. But now if peace is being taking away because of recent events and world war with nuclear weapons is on the horizon with the GT to follow then all that was said about WW1 timeframe was not the case.

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Is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses marries a disfellowshipped person, what is the outcome?

by EdenOne in

hello all.. i need a quick answer, and also a solid reference in the literature, please.. if a jw marries an unbeliever, there is reproof, it's frowned upon, it's disloyal, there will be loss of privileges, etc, but there's no other more serious consequences.

but, in a scenario where two people are free to marry, but one is a baptized jw and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?.

thanks for your help.. r..

Duran

but one is a baptized JW and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?
Thanks for your help.
R.

Maybe this might be helpful?

w74 8/1 p. 468-469

(Sorry about calling you "Shirley")

Don't call me Shirley - YouTube

Duran

Posts by Duran

frankiespeakin19 years agoE Watchman wants people to follow him and he censors anybody that does not follow his policies which in effect are don't critize anything I say.Another Cult leader in the offing. He's just like the WT,, no desention allowed ,,you must walk the party line,, or,, your toast.