Posts by Duran

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What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

by Starlight.vee in

like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

Duran

The bible commands Christians to be able to give an answer to anyone who demands a reason for the hope that is in you. It's a good test to see if someone is deluded.

Exactly and yet you fail to give answers to what I asked you above and to the other 5 questions I asked here.

You spend the time replying back with all the nonsense you wrote above, but you could have easily taken that time to answer what I asked if you know the answers. Instead, you evade and deflect from answering by going on a rant and then trying to make it about me answering something that you asked even though it was YOU that came in on a topic started by 'lastmanstanding' and started talking your rapture nonsense. You are the one that needs to answer to defend what you believe, not me.

That said, I did answer you on what it takes to get saved during the 8th king's rule and that is to refuse to take the MOTB/refuse to support him, be willing to not be able to buy/sell, be taken captive and even killed. WHY? Because in doing so you would be showing/proving your faith in Jehovah and Jesus and their kingdom that will come after the 8th king 42-month rule/GT.

Refusing the MOTB will make one part of the great crowd and that is whom God spreads his tent over. And some among them will be ones that rule with Jesus. (All these will be saved/everlasting life.) All that take the MOTB, including the beast/8th king himself will receive God's wrath after the 42-month rule. (All these will have everlasting cutoff/will not be saved.) 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 / 8th king rule

Because I believe that all references to Jesus' coming occur after the 42 month/GT of the 8th king, then anything that I say about being saved only applies to what I just said about refusing the MOTB/the 8th king. All that died prior to the 8th king 'hour of judgment from God' will be resurrected and still have a chance at everlasting life with those that already will have it. John 5:28,29

Because it is you that says there is a rapture due to Jesus coming prior to the 8th king rule, it is you who should answer questions to defend that notion.

And because I believe that Jehovah and Jesus are two different individuals, and you believe they are the same person, it is you who has to explain who gave Jesus that authority and how they (apostles) are to be 'one' just as Jehovah and Jesus are 'one' and why Jesus himself said he is God's son.

Everyone there understood Jesus was claiming to be God here.

Funny how you side with the unbelieving Jews who wanted to stone Jesus. You use their false claim of saying Jesus was the one claiming to be god and yet you don't take Jesus at his word and that of John and a voice from heaven that he is God's son.

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Vice President Kamala Harris…your thoughts??

by minimus in

jw
friends

good pick?

bad pick?

helpful to president biden?

Duran

Obama wasn’t black either, he was mixed race and not even African American, as his father was from Kenya, not a US Citizen.

Larry David is Suspicious (youtube.com)

I don't know about that. I know it is said that his father is from Kenya, but I don't think that is real father. I think his father is Frank Davis from Kansas.

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What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

by Starlight.vee in

like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

Duran

If you really believed Jesus was just a spirit

What is your weirdness in Jesus being a spirit? He is and so is Jehovah and Satan and all other angels. John 4:24;1 Corinthians 15:45;Hebrews 1:14

It is talking about the nature of the voice - "commanding", similar to an arch-angel.

There are 3 'withs' here and each are separate:

[ 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet]

The reason he has an archangel's voice is because he (Jesus) is the archangel Michael. He is directing his angels to gather his chosen ones.

[31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.]

[7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels]

[7 And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled]

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Funny how you say nothing about Jesus' correcting them saying he was God's son when they were trying to say that he was making himself god.

Also, you try to pass off John 10:30 as if Jesus and Jehovah are the same and yet crickets from you when it comes to:

[11 ... so that they may be one just as we are one.]

Who is 'we' referring to?

[we - used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself and one or more other people considered together:]

And I am still waiting to hear who gave Jesus the authority in heaven and on earth?

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What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

by Starlight.vee in

like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

Duran

It really doesn't matter how he got it does it? That's not the point. As usual, heretics miss the clear and plain point of any scripture they don't like. Jesus has all power and authority in heaven and earth, that's what scripture says.

Sure, it matters how he got that power/authority, that is the whole point. The Scripture says it was given to him. So, the question is who gave it to him? Matt 28:18;1 Corinthians 15:24-28

Everyone there understood Jesus was claiming to be God here.

They claimed he was claiming that, and he corrected them.

[ 33 The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy; for you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” 34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? 35 If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came—and yet the scripture cannot be nullified— 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

My Father and I are one.”

[ 30 I and the Father are one.”]

[11 “I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one.]

By the way, do you have a problem allowing an angel into your being? In other words, are you willing to allow an angel to posess you?

It is God's spirit that Jesus has and that we are to have, so to have Jesus' spirit, is to have God's spirit.

[ 16 After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him. 17 Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”]

[ 8 So those who are in harmony with the flesh cannot please God9 However, you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you. But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this person does not belong to him. 11 If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.]

And YES Jesus is an angel.

[ 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.]

[29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.]

[ 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.]

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What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

by Starlight.vee in

like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

Duran

4. Jesus said he had all power in heaven and earth.

Where did he say that, was it here at Matthew 28:18 where he said it had been given to him?

Who gave it to him?

6. Jesus said that he and the father were one in the same.

Where did he say that, was it here at John 17:22 where he also said for his disciples to be one?

Does that mean that they are all one in the same (same person), not individuals?

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Vice President Kamala Harris…your thoughts??

by minimus in

jw
friends

good pick?

bad pick?

helpful to president biden?

Duran

Get over yourself and stop demanding what people should be. It's not your business.

WOW, what a 'class act' you must be.

I didn't realize I made such a demand, thanks for pointing that out.

As far as 'my business', I was not aware that having an 'opinion' is the same as making things 'my business', which my 'opinion' still remains:

She is both all the time and should identify as such.

I don't know about you and your lucky wife if y'all are in politics and campaign on diversity, but I know Kamala is/does, so it is my 'opinion' that she should identify at all times all that she is.

Vice President Kamala Harris…your thoughts??

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Vice President Kamala Harris…your thoughts??

by minimus in

jw
friends

good pick?

bad pick?

helpful to president biden?

Duran

Duran. You got me

LOL. That was the last thing I heard from Clay as I was getting out of the car today, then seeing your comment, I figured...

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Vice President Kamala Harris…your thoughts??

by minimus in

jw
friends

good pick?

bad pick?

helpful to president biden?

Duran

Focus on policy. Economy, crime, immigration.

Were you listening to the clay and buck show today?

I identify as Ex JW

LOL!

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Vice President Kamala Harris…your thoughts??

by minimus in

jw
friends

good pick?

bad pick?

helpful to president biden?

Duran

Harris was born to an Indian mother and Jamaican father. You can be two things, it's not complicated.

Two things make up what one person she is which is a black (Jamaican) Indian woman. The problem is when she identifies as only one or the other. She is both all the time and should identify as such.

Obama is referred to as the first black president, yet he is just as much white as he is black. Why not refer to him as the first biracial president.

We need Geoge back to straighten this up...

George Carlin on Race (youtube.com)

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What's next?

by lastmanstanding in

what's next for the world?

a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

and i shared that map with various friends.

Duran

Duran you are cherrypicking and ignoring dozens of Scriptures that I pointed out showing Salvation to be a past tense event for Church-Age believers.

How is that your reply to what I asked you...

Rapture aside, I just want to know what your answers are to these questions.

1. How many times does Jesus return, two or three times?

2. When does this 'last day' begin on your chart?

[23 Jesus said to her: “Your brother will rise.” 24 Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.”]

3. Does Jesus descend here from heaven before the GT or after?

[16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.]

4. Does the revelation of Jesus from heaven occur before the GT or after?

[7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels]

5. Does the 'second time that he appears' occur before the GT or after?

[28 so also the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin, and he will be seen by those earnestly looking for him for their salvation.]