Posts by Duran

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Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

by slimboyfat in

the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

It's not about how other languages translate it. If you start off with any Hebrew name said/spelled correctly and another language has its grammar rules and alphabet, etc. and they say this is how we would say/spell that name in our language, whatever they say/write at that point based on their own language would be fine as long as they are starting with the correct name in Hebrew to begin with.

The issue is that it is said that for God's name that the consonants יהוה YHVH are known but the vowels are not because the name stop being pronounced/read aloud.

My point is looking at names that never stopped being pronounced/read that are said to contain in them part of God's name in either the prefix or subfix.

When it comes to the prefix of these names you see יהו YHV.

When it comes to the subfix of these names you see יה YH.

The vowels used for prefix יהו YHV are e and o and in all cases the V is replaced with the vowel.

3092. Yehoshaphat יהושפט

3091. Yehoshua יהושע

The vowel used for subfix יה YH is a.

3470. Yshayah ישעיה

5166. Nechemyah נחמיה

Based on those names and vowels used and rule for replacing V as it is a placeholder you have this:

יהו YHV (Yeho)

יה YH (Yah)

Now being consistent with that when it comes to יהוה God's name:

יהו YHV (Yeho)

ה H (ah)

Yehoah

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The everlasting saga of The faithful and discreet slave class.

by MacHislopp in

at the 128th annual meeting of the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, on october 6 th 2012 .

during this meeting “food at the proper time” was given and the most important, was given during a symposium of six talks by members of the governing body—brothers jackson, lösch, pierce, herd, lett, and splane— which analyzed and discussed the meaning of jesus’ words recorded at.

" (matthew 24: 45, 46) it must be conceded, then, that at the end ot the world, at the "time of the end", during the presence of the lord, during the harvest, he would have in the earth a servant who would be faithful and wise.

Duran

[4-1-07 WT- ‘Showing Due Respect for the Faithful Slave‘ A fundamental reason for showing proper respect for the faithful slave class is that by so doing, we are in fact showing respect for the Master, Jesus Christ.…Therefore, when we loyally submit to the direction of the faithful slave and its Governing Body, we are submitting to Christ, the slave’s Master….For this reason, all in the congregation view it as their sacred duty to follow and uphold the direction coming from the faithful slave and its Governing Body]

[12-1-90 WT- We have the opportunity to show love for our brothers who take the lead in the congregation or in connection with Jehovah’s visible organization worldwide. This includes being loyal to “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matthew 24:45-47) Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own.]

[11-1-90 WT- Further direction comes from “the faithful and discreet slave” class of anointed Christians. These have been helped by Jehovah’s spirit to understand his will progressively. (Matthew 24:45-47; Proverbs 4:18) Thus, when direction comes from Jehovah’s organization, we can wisely submit to it,]

[11-15-09 WT- By word or action, may we never challenge the channel of communication that Jehovah is using today. (Num. 16:1-3) On the contrary, we should cherish our privilege to cooperate with the slave class.]

[2-15-09 WT- Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?]

[4-15-13 WT- How do we demonstrate our support for the arrangements made by Jehovah’s organization? One important way is by always putting our confidence in the ones whom Jehovah and Jesus trusting]

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Venerate– a feeling of awe, respect; reverence-deep respect for someone or something

Adoration- the act of paying honor, as to a divine being; worship.

Sacred duty– worthy of religious worship: very holy, highly valued and important: deserving great respect

Devotion– love, loyalty, or enthusiasm for a person, activity, or cause

Loyal– faithful to any leader, party, or cause, or to any person or thing conceived as deserving fidelity

Submit– to defer to another’s judgment, opinion, decision, etc.

Cherish– to hold or treat as dear; feel love for

Confidence– full trust; belief in the powers, trustworthiness, or reliability of a person or thing

[Insight Vol 1 IDOL, IDOLATRY– An idol is an image, a representation of anything, or a symbol that is an object of passionate devotion, whether material or imagined. Generally speaking, idolatry is the veneration, love, worship, or adoration of an idol. It is usually practiced toward a real or supposed higher power, whether such power is believed to have animate existence (as a human, an animal, or an organization) or is inanimate (as a force or lifeless object of nature).]

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Duran

About a year ago, when someone said Watchtower would fall because Jesus is tearing it down at Jehovah's command, no one believed it. They said it was practically impossible.
A lot has changed in a year.
When Watchtower is dissolved, will you still deny that Jesus had it torn down?

How is the WTS any less (in the process of being torn down) today than it was a year ago?

Where scripturally speaking does it show that the WTS gets torn down any more or less than any other religion?

Here you said:

He was not king in the first century, but he is now, and he is riding fast. The religious institutions are being dissolved.

That said would indicate that you think more than just the WTS are being torn down. Regardless, how is Jesus riding fast today, and how is the WTS or any other religious institutions being torn down/dissolved because of Jesus so-called riding fast today?

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

Duran

When YOU write/use the English name Jehovah, rather YOU are referring to the Hebrew or Greek Scriptures, YOU are using the English version from the Hebrew יהוה, not the Greek nor any other.

So why not at least spell/say that English version of the Hebrew name correctly? (Jehoah) יהוה

Why not write/say the English version of Jesus' true Hebrew name? (Jehoshua) יהושע

[ 3 And right away for the second time they said: “Praise Jah! (239. allelouia) And the smoke from her goes on ascending forever and ever.”]

239. allelouia - of Hebrew origin halal, Jah

halal - to praise

Jah - contr. from Jehoah

[117 Praise Jehoah, all you nations; Glorify him, all you peoples. 2 For his loyal love toward us is great; The faithfulness of Jehoah endures forever. Praise Jah!]

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3063. Yehudah יהודה YHVDH

Notice the Hebrew letters are the same 4 as God's name with a 5th one that represents the D.

If we take the Hebrew letter out for the D, we are left with the same letters of God's name, יהוה YHVH.

If we take the D out of Yehudah, it is Yehuah.

Now remember that the U there replaced the placeholder V and it could have been an O but instead the U was used because it was followed by a D, but when followed by an H an O is used, as in Yehoah.

( here and here)

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

Duran

Even though enemies of God sought to erase His name from the manuscripts those enemies were too stupid to erase it from the "Hallelujah" portions of that book.

Jesus' name means "Jehovah is Salvation." Jesus wants us to worship Jehovah.

When it comes to wanting to erase God's name, that is true and that is why the name Jehoshua was reduced down to Jesus. The name Jehoshua honors God's name and conveys the full meaning 'Jehoah is Salvation'. The name Jesus does neither.

Jehoah יהוה

Jehoshua יהושע

Jesus י

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And again, there is no V in God's name.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Duran

Atheist - 1

Bible believing folk - 0

Atheist have been right so far. Nothing in the Bible from the past can be proven true today. And anything said from the Bible to happen in the future, has not so far happen.

Basically, an atheist is on the surface automatically right until proven wrong and a believer is automatically wrong until proven right.

The only way an atheist could ever be proven wrong is for something Biblical to take place which would in turn show that the Bible believing folk were right all along.

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

Duran

A Kairite Jew, Nehemiah Gordon

נחמיה - Nehemiah (Jehoah comforts)

יהושפט - Jehoshaphat (Jehoah judged)

God's name יהוה YHVH and keeping in mind that Jews read right to left.

For Jeho-shaphat/Yeho-shaphat the letters of God's name used for the pre-fix are יהו YHV.

For Nehem-iah/Nehem-yah the letters of God's name used for the sub-fix are יה YH

(Putting aside that for the English language there was a change of Y to J and Y to I.)

The vowels used for those two names are e,o,a to be used with YHVH.

The V is a placeholder for the vowel's O/U. ( here and here)

When choosing the vowel, it replaces the V, it is not added in addition too.

Example:

Jehoshua, not Jehovshua

Jehoram, not Jehovram

When using the pre-fix יהו YHV in those names, the vowel E is used and the vowel O for replacing the V.

In these names with the sub-fix יה YH, the vowel A is used.

JeremiaH

IsaiaH

ZechariaH

Looking at Hebrew names today in English that never stopped being pronounced that contain either the pre-fix or sub-fix of God's name, the vowels they have would have to be the same vowels for God's name.

יהוה YHVH + E,O,A = YEHOAH/JEHOAH

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

Duran

Duran, although this is a clever breakdown, there is a major flaw in your reasoning. You forget that Je is not correct, it should be Yah. So in actuality the correct pronunciation of the tetragrammaton in Hebrew would be Yah • ho • ah.

You can use a Y or J and Je/Ye is correct.

[2 Then Joshua (3091. Yehoshua) the son of Nun secretly sent two men out from Shitʹtim as spies. He told them: “Go and inspect the land, especially Jerʹi·cho.”]

[2 And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. (3092. Yehoshaphat)]

יהוה Yehoah/Jehoah

יהושע Yehoshua/Jehoshua

יהושפט Yehoshaphat/Jehoshaphat

And Yah/Jah is only when shortening the whole name, as in Yehoah/Jehoah.

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

Duran

We know that isn't the real pronouciation.

The only thing wrong with it is in using the V.

Perhaps it has not been by accident that JWs and others have it wrong because they do bring reproach on it, so they have never been able/allowed to spell/say it correctly.

Jehoshaphat – Jeremiah

Jehoiakim – Isaiah

Jehoram – Nehemiah

Jehoiachin – Zechariah

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יהו Jeho + ה ah = יהוה Jehoah ~~Jehovah~~

יה Jah - יהוה Jehoah

יהושע Jehoshua ~~Jesus~~