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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

Here's why it is important to get the right Jesus.

LOL! There is not a part of you that wants to get it right...

This is why Jesus could say He and the Father are one.

He said more than that and yet you fail to acknowledge it...

[20 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, 21 so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. 23 I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me.]

Just as my sons are begotten by posessing my essence (half my DNA) with them, Jesus was begotten by posessing the essence of God.

So you are saying your sons possess your essence, but all of God's sons do not possess his essence...LOL!

[ 7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause]

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And apparently you have no reply to something you yourself cited:

[This Greek magazine ] said "Jesus Christ God's Chosen Son"

This agrees with, out of ALL of God's 'spirit being sons', that God chose ONE of them who would be the ONE to come and be born in the flesh as a man (human).

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And apparently you don't want to acknowledge TWO separate witnesses here, you are content with suggesting God is violating his own law by being only ONE witness. - John 8:17,18

In order for there to be TWO witnesses here in this regard, Jesus and Jehovah would have to be TWO separate persons.

What you are trying to claim is if you were in a position to where you needed a second person to back up what you said, that rather than have an actual second person, you can just reason that you SB, have a father which makes you a SON, and that you have sons, so that makes you a FATHER, so you say of yourself that even though you are ONE person, you are a FATHER and a SON, so you don't really need an actual second person to back up what you said, because you being a father and a son counts as being TWO witnesses, even though you are ONE person.

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I've done it: Christmas Lights Outside

by StephaneLaliberte in

lets see if that causes a problem.

i've been inactive for a very long time now (like 10+ years), so, i don't expect to hear anything from it, but my parents are worried i'll get df.

lets see what happens.

Duran

have white lights on the oak tree and on the porch banister all year long.

My wife and I love that look. We do it with our oak and palm trees, and all year long as well.

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

Edit - gods, not god's

So, if we are all constructed like that and in the center of your chart, it shows 'spirit' = God, then that means we are all gods. Is that your view?
And since all the angels are 'spirit' beings as well, then they are all gods too. Is that right? John 10:33,34; Psalm 82:6; Job 38:7

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

Why would you ask me this since I am the one who posted the scriptures that claims this is how we are constructed?

So, if we are all constructed like that and in the center of your chart, it shows 'spirit' = God, then that means we are all god's. Is that your view?

And since all the angels are 'spirit' beings as well, then they are all god's too. Is that right?

How about the other 3 points I showed...

When is it said, 'it is written in your law' about 'TWO witnesses', it is really God's law isn't it?

Jesus says that he is ONE witness, and his father is ONE witness. Together that makes TWO separate persons, right? If you claim they are ONE person and not TWO, then God would be violating his own law. John 8:17,18

And what do you say about the context of ALL being ONE? John 17:20-23

Lastly, what do you say about what is shown on the site link that you yourself posted to show that 'Jesus is God', yet it says: “Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.” / "Jesus Christ God's Chosen Son" [This Greek magazine ]

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

@SB

What is keeping you from answering this:

Do you have a body, soul (mind, emotion, will), and spirit?

And any comment about this:

[20 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, 21 so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. 23 I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me.]

The mosaic’s symbolism
The mosaic also features fish imagery, an important symbol in early Christianity. The Greek word for fish, ΙΧΘΥΣ (Ichthys), forms an acronym for “Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.”
ICTUS :
Fish in Christianity – It is symbol of Jesus. It was used as a secret cipher by early Christians. ICTUS is formed from initials of words in Greek sentence "Iesous Christos Theou Uios Soter". It means "Jesus Christ God's Chosen Son".#archaeohistories pic.twitter.com/l17mJWphOQ
— Archaeo – Histories (@archeohistories) January 6, 2022
I = Iesous = Jesus
CH = Christos = Christ
TH = Theou = God’s
Y = Yios = Son
S = Soter = Savior

[ 17 Also, in your own Law it is written: ‘The witness of two men is true.’ 18 I am one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.”]

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Suing the Borg

by JohnR1975 in

what would be the best way to start suing the borg?.

what kind of evidence would you need for this elf is still physically in?.

here is someone suing them https://youtu.be/wr2dpxm7cc0.

Duran

I would sue for emotional distress. How depressed and hopeless one can become after finding out that they (WTS/GB) are not who they claim to be. (God's chosen people/organization) That they deliberately lie in order to make such a claim.

Even what is said at 1.22 min is a lie. They are not politically neutral, they do support a candidate and do patriciate in an action to change governments. Here Here Here Here Here

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

The chart simply graphically represents the scripture citations that are listed on it.

Okay, so none of the Scriptures are idiotic and neither is the chart... so now will you answer:

Do you have a body, soul (mind, emotion, will), and spirit? If so, then by your reasoning you must be God or a god. Which are you?

And why do you edit the Scriptures you cite?

"Jesus" is in the genitive case, which has to mean "God of Jesus"

[ 17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”]

Jesus said he had a God. Whomever that God is would be the 'God of Jesus'. Whomever Jesus' God is would also be the God of his brothers.

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This Greek magazine agrees that the mosaic says

The mosaic’s symbolism
The mosaic also features fish imagery, an important symbol in early Christianity. The Greek word for fish, ΙΧΘΥΣ (Ichthys), forms an acronym for “Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.”
ICTUS :
Fish in Christianity – It is symbol of Jesus. It was used as a secret cipher by early Christians. ICTUS is formed from initials of words in Greek sentence "Iesous Christos Theou Uios Soter". It means "Jesus Christ God's Chosen Son".#archaeohistories pic.twitter.com/l17mJWphOQ
— Archaeo – Histories (@archeohistories) January 6, 2022

I = Iesous = Jesus
CH = Christos = Christ
TH = Theou = God’s
Y = Yios = Son
S = Soter = Savior

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

Please list the scriptures on the chart that you consider "idiotic".

When did I say the Scriptures are 'idiotic', I said your chart and reasoning is!

Why don't you answer this:

Do you have a body, soul (mind, emotion, will), and spirit? If so, then by your reasoning you must be God or a god. Which are you?

New International Version For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. -Hebrews 4:12

New International Version May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. - 1 Thessalonians 5:23

New International Version God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” - John 4:24

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And why do you edit the Scriptures you cite?

I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. - John 10: 17-18

New International Version The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.” - John 10: 17-18

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

SB, your little chart has the be the most idiotic thing to every be posted here.

Do you have a body, emotion, mind, will, and spirit? If so, then by your reasoning you must be God or a god. Which are you?

Please explain how Jesus can have ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND EARTH while and the same time declare the Father is greater than he.

Because he was giving it by his father. God is the one that subjected all things under Jesus but it is clear that God is not subjected to Jesus.

[18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.]

[ 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.]

[ 28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.]

[3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.]

How can Jesus raise himself from the dead, while dead, without being God?

First you have to ask yourself can God die.

And Jesus did not raise himself from the dead, God did:

[ 9 For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.]

[ 30 But God raised him up from the dead,]

[24 But God resurrected him by releasing him from the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held fast by it.]

[15 whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.]

[24 but also for our sake, to whom it will be counted, because we believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord up from the dead.]

Yea, he was God alright. No doubt about it.
"I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE" - JESUS

How are they ONE, context matters...

[20 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, 21 so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. 23 I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me.]

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Defend Your Borders or Listen to the Watchtower?

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/dnoww-4jfao?si=ehzmc5-gxqukgn7q.

with ww3 on the horizon the watchtower is bringing out their best hits on the issue of neutrality and the latest instalment on jw.org with stephen lett has the theme " why ancient israelites were allowed to go to war but as a christian you can't " or to paraphrase for a 2024 audience " why the modern state of israel is allowed all the nuclear weapons to defend their borders but you as a western european or north american you aren't supposed to compliant against open border policies and uncontrolled illegal migration" isn't that the exact same rhetoric or is it my imagination?

so one of stephen lett's go to arguments is that christians do not take up arms because we don't live in ancient times where israelites had a mandate to occupy the holy land where as we gentile christians we don't.

Duran

[5 Then I, Daniel, looked and saw two others standing there, one on this bank of the stream and one on the other bank of the stream. 6 Then one said to the man clothed in linen, who was up above the waters of the stream: “How long will it be to the end of these marvelous things?” Then one said to the man clothed in linen, who was up above the waters of the stream: “How long will it be to the end of these marvelous things?” 7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was up above the waters of the stream, as he raised his right hand and his left hand to the heavens and swore by the One who is alive forever: “It will be for an appointed time, appointed times, and half a time. As soon as the dashing to pieces of the power of the holy people comes to an end, all these things will come to their finish.”]

The end of dashing to pieces comes to an end after the 42 months. It is during those 42 months that the chosen ones as well as the GC are experiencing the tribulation upon them for refusing to support the 8th king.

Jesus does away with the 8th king after the 42 months when he comes.

In Daniel, Jesus is also said to be the stone that crushes the image. The image as a whole represents the 8th king, just as the beast as a whole is the 8th king.

It is clear that when the 8th king comes to power and the time for the MOTB is here, there can on be two camps of people. One's who make up the 8th king and support him/take the mark, etc. And one's who refuse to take the mark/refuse to support him.

This is the basis of judgment that God uses to see who really belongs to him or who belong to Satan. Those that take the mark are judged to belong to Satan and will be killed off when Jesus comes. Those that refuse it are judged to belong to God and they will be part of the GC and some will rule with Jesus.

Because Jesus also does away with the MOL when he (Jesus) comes after the 42 months, this means that the MOL and 8th king come to their end at the same point and by the same means.

It makes no sense and could serve no purpose to claim that the MOL is a separate entity during the time the 8th king is ruling. And that this MOL is causing an apostasy that God allows to take place in order for people to be judged.

No one refusing the 8th king and living under his captivity and the tribulation that that will bring upon themselves for do so, none of these will be engaging in any separate apostasy with the MOL.

Only those that take the mark and support the 8th king would be ones that would be ones that would engage in any apostasy from the MOL. But what point and purpose would that serve, those that take the mark will be judged to be killed and so will those that engage in the apostasy from the MOL will perish/not be saved/will be killed.

The only thing that can make sense in this regard is if the apostasy having to do with the MOL is the supporting the 8th king, which is thereby rejecting God.