Posts by Duran

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

The times of the Gentiles referred to the treading down, or desolation, of first century Jerusalem, which Jesus called "the days of vengeance". In other words, it was God's mission for the Gentiles to bring judgment upon Jerusalem...The times of the Gentiles, or treading down of Jerusalem, entailed no more than a forty two month period of time, the exact duration of the Jewish-Roman War.

Let's say 66ce-70ce was that 42-month period of Rev 11:2 and that is 'the time of the gentiles'. (Luke 21:24) You claim that period was the GT.

Okay, how do you explain, that when Jesus is said to come, it is at a time when tribulation is occurring upon those that have faith in him, and they get relief from that Trib upon them when he arrives? (2 Thessalonians 1:7-10)

If the GT was during 66-70ce and if all those that listened to Jesus' warning to flee, fled, then who are the chosen ones that were still in Jerusalem that on account of them the GT had to be cut short/limited to 42 months?

And do you say that the GT mentioned in Rev 7, is the same period as 66ce-70ce GT or is it a different GT?

Lastly, has this taking place yet?

[ 5 It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months. 7 It was permitted to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. 10 If anyone is meant for captivity, he will go into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones.]

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

The enslavement and dispersion of Jews among the nations in 70 AD was the fulfillment of Jesus prophecy found in Luke 21:20-24
This prophecy was fulfilled and is not slated to happen again.
Conclusion: The Great Tribulation spoken of in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 is prophecy fulfilled, i.e., over and done with.

[20 “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. 21 Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, 22 because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. 23 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.]

So, you are saying 'the appointed times of the nations' have ended/have been fulfilled?

If they started in 70, when did they end?

__________

When did or does the following take place:

[ 2 But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months.]

[ 5 It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months. 7 It was permitted to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. 10 If anyone is meant for captivity, he will go into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones.]

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

Only God knows that. Our job is to be ready for the second coming of the Son.

I am not asking as it pertains to the whole day and hour thing...I just want to know from you if you know from the Scriptures when his second coming is said to take place?

Who said anything about what Jew are experiencing today?

You did when you said:

They were to be enslaved and dispersed among the nations where they have been for the last 1900+ years.

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Yes. In the events leading to and including those occurring in 70 AD.

So, you are claiming this has been fulfilled:

[17 Between the porch and the altar Let the priests, the ministers of Jehovah, weep and say: ‘Do feel pity, O Jehovah, for your people; Do not make your inheritance an object of scorn, Letting the nations rule over them. Why should the peoples say, “Where is their God?”’3 “For look! in those days and in that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather together all the nationsAnd bring them down to the Valley of Je·hoshʹa·phat. I will enter into judgment with them there In behalf of my people and my inheritance Israel, For they scattered them among the nations, And they divided up my land among themselves.]

Jews are all over the world today and only granted a country in 1948

Any so-called Jews that are all over the world today, is due to their own doing, by them not returning in 1948 nor any time since.

A similar enslavement and disbursement among the nations is not scheduled to happen again after the parousia.

Correct, no enslavement occurs after Jesus' second coming. It takes place before he comes.

It is your claim that that enslavement started in 70ce and has continued for 1900+ years with the Jews being all over the world. But you have stated that they could return in 1948. So that means they are no longer enslaved among the nations after 1948. (70 to1948 = 1878 years of enslavement)

Where do you place Rev 11:2;13:5,7,10 as taking place...before 1948 or after?

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Don't be fooled, Critical Thinking is NOT the same as INTEL-e - gents

by liam in

if you think you got rid of tony morris........think again, there something called "genetics".

starting at the first minute, made possible by the immaculate conception of jesse morris, to continue the work of his father, anthony morris, the subject of critical thinking is discussed.

how did we not know, that critical thinking is not the same as intelligence!

Duran

Hey Jesse, have you ever seen this...

Do Others Do Your Thinking? — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
Propaganda has power. Does it overpower you? Or do you have a mind of your own?
EDUCATION teaches you how to think. Propagandists tell you what to think. True educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists hammer hard on their view and discourage discussion. Many times their true motives are hidden. They sift the facts, tell the favorable ones and conceal the others. They distort and twist facts, specialize in lies and half-truths. Your emotions, not your logical thinking abilities, are their target. Many fall easy prey because it takes no effort to feel, whereas thinking is hard labor. And the propagandist sees to it that his message is made to seem wise, the right and moral one, and gives you a sense of importance and belonging if you follow it. You are one of the smart ones, you are not alone, you are comfortable and secure—so they say.
Propagandists have little respect for people’s thinking abilities...
Proverbs 14:15 states: “A simple man believes every word he hears; a clever man understands the need for proof.” (The New English Bible) Many today are like sponges; they soak up whatever they are submerged in. It is the easy way. Exercise for the muscles is hard work; exercising the mind is even harder. It is so much easier to soak up whatever is around—and today, for the most part, that is television, the printed page, radio and movies. There are, however, some good books, movies and television programs. They require more mental effort to read or to watch. So each individual must choose what he will feed his mind. It is said that we are what we eat, and this can apply to food for both the body and the mind. Whatever you read or watch or listen to, test whether it is propaganda or whether it is the truth. “The god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers,” that they might not know the vital truths of our time. What about you? Will you let others think for you, or will you do your own thinking? Do your own, and “thinking ability itself will keep guard over you.

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Top Jw YouTube channel

by Mit123 in

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looks like panda tower has overtaken cedars with 116mil followers.

is he the top jw youtuber?.

Duran

Panda 116k

Cedars 115k

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On the anniversary of Anthony Morris' Resignation

by Vanderhoven7 in

strange that after 2 years we still don't know the facts about anthony's resignation.

grant davus writes:.

the announcement.

Duran

Splitting hairs about 'ALL' the videos being removed.

Regardless of there still being some there, it was very clear that they removed a lot and even took him out of photos and redid audio recordings. Surely there was a reason for that, that has nothing to do with health issues.

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New York Yankees receive NEW LIGHT!

by nowwhat? in

.

Duran

'it's called satire'

Said in a Carl Spackler voice...

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

This is exactly what happened to the survivors of the great tribulation. They were to be enslaved and dispersed among the nations where they have been for the last 1900+ years. This is not scheduled to happen again at or after the parousia.

What/when is the so-called 'parousia'?

Who are enslaved currently among the nations that can't return back to Isreal now if they wanted to?

You are saying Luke 21:24 happen already and is not said to happen again...what about this...Rev 11:2;13:5,7,10?

Has Joel ever been fulfilled? Joel 2:17;3:1,2

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

LOL

It's funny to see a down vote based on showing what the Bible actually says.

I don't care if you believe the Bible or not. Chances are it is all BS, but regardless, it says what it says and states of those coming out of the GT, which is the time during the MOTB period. Obviously that time has not come yet so that shows the GT is still future.

[9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands...13 In response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” 14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.]

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

To make it a dual prophecy, is to make Jesus speaking simultaneously, literally to His generation of believers and figuratively to ours. And we are left trying to figure out what praying our flight will not be in winter or on a Sabbath means. And what Jerusalem and Judea means and what the mountains mean and what not going home to pick up your jacket when roofing means...etc.

It does have a future application according to the Bible. But the parts that you are referring to do not apply.

[ 21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.]

= Rev 17:13; 13:5,7,10;14:6,7,9-12;7:9,13,14;20:4;19:20,21 Here