Posts by Duran

187

Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Duran

The WTS needs 607 to get to 1914.

They need 1914 to claim a 42-month cleansing took place during 1914-1918.

They need 1914-1918 to claim that as a result of that period of cleansing they were in line to be appointed the F&DS in 1919.

607/587/586/539/537/70 years/2,520 years/7 times/1914/1918, means nothing to the WTS other than to use/twist those dates/years in order to perpetrate the LIE that they were appointed in 1919.

The fact is the 42 months they said took place during 1914-1918 did not take place then. They have not occurred yet, still future. That means there is no basis for claiming they were appointed in 1919. Therefore, debating about 70 year/607, etc...in meaningless. No matter the truth of when those years/events took place does not change that the WTS was not appointed in 1919.

The Scriptures show that the 42 months occur during the 6th trumpet/2nd woe. Then after the 2nd woe ends, the 7th trumpet/3rd woe comes.

Like everything with the WTS, they LIE and twist what they say.

They claim the 7th trumpet/3rd woe occurred in Oct 1914.

[w02 11/1 - In 1914 the prophetic words of Revelation 11:15 were fulfilled: The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.” ]

Let's say that is true. Well then that would mean the 42 months (6th trumpet/2nd woe) would have to have occurred starting in April 1911 to Oct 1914.

But NOOO, the WTS claims the 42 months 2nd woe occurred Oct 1914-April 1918. Okay, let's say that is true. Well then that would mean the 7th trumpet/3rd woe occurred in April 1918 after the 42 months.

Believe it or not the WTS actually have said that. This is because they know the 3rd woe comes after the 2nd, and they claim the 42 months of that 2nd woe ended in 1918.

[w51 7/15 - At this eventful time the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that is, after the 1,260 days ended in 1918. Then it is that these wonders can come to pass. “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven saying: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king for ever and ever.’]

So, which is it, did the 7th trumpet/3rd woe occur in Oct 1914 or in April 1918?

(607>>2,520 years>>>1914) - (607>>2,524 years>>>1918)

Did the 42 months/2nd woe occur in April 1911-Oct 1914 or Oct 1914-April 1918?

Or are the 42 months/2nd woe the future GT and the 3rd woe comes after those months when Jesus comes with God's kingdom, ending the kingdom of this world (Satan's)?

187

Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Duran

Jeremiah is simply stating the fact that Neb took a number of Jews into exile on three different occasions during Neb's reign. Read into this what you will.

There is nothing to read from it other than:

Some Jews were in servitude to Babylon for 81 years. (618-537) Jeremiah 52:28

Some were for 70 years. (607-537) Jeremiah 52:29

Some were for 65 years. (602-537) Jeremiah 52:30

And the most the land could have been desolated-empty of its inhabitants, is for 65 years. (602-537)

So much for this statement by you:

Judah's servitude to Babylon for 70 years

its Land would also be desolated-empty of its inhabitants etc. for the exact period of 70 years

187

Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Duran

Jer. 25: 11 does not clearly emphasise Babylon's supremacy. The verse clearly states the duration of Judah's servitude to Babylon for 70 years and in context with the vss. 9-11 along with Judah's servitude its Land would also be desolated-empty of its inhabitants etc. for the exact period of 70 years as confirmed by later writers of the 70 years such as Ezra and Daniel.

Well, there we have it, you are in check, because you claim that happen in 607 (Neb's 18th year) to 537. But here we read in Nebs 23rd year (602) the land was not 'desolated-empty of its inhabitants'.

[Jeremiah 52:29 In the 18th year of Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar, 832 people were taken from Jerusalem.]

[Jeremiah 52:30 In the 23rd year of Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar, Neb·uʹzar·adʹan the chief of the guard took Jews into exile, 745 people. In all, 4,600 people were taken into exile.]

So, I guess you need to change your version of the 70 years to 602-532, not 607-537.

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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Duran

609+539=70 years
Your dating formula well summarized your nonsense.
Did you know that scholars also date the 70 years from 605 BCE and not 609 BCE?

Your WTS cited 'The Babylonian Chronicle B.M. 21901', that shows in the 17th year under Babylonian king Nabopolassar, Harran fell ending the Assyria empire in 609.

They (WTS) also cited the Nabunaid Chronicle, which gives the date for the fall of Babylon in 539.

I don't care who dates what from 605, I said nothing in that last post about Jeremiah 25:11,12 and those 70 years. I simply showed based on what the WTS cited, that 609 to 539 is 70 years.

187

Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Duran

scholar, how foolish can you be...

Your WTS admits that Assyria, the second world power came to its end as a result of the 14th and 17th year of Babylonian king Nabopolassar with the fall of Nineveh and then Harran. They claim that that was the start of Babylon's domination period as the third world power. They claim that Babylon came to its end when it was overthrown by Medo-Persia and that is when Medo-Persia became the fourth world power.

[Insight - The fall of the empire. The Babylonian Chronicle B.M. (British Museum) 21901 recounts the fall of Nineveh, the capital of Assyria, following a siege carried out by the combined forces of Nabopolassar, the king of Babylon, and of Cyaxares the Mede during the 14th year of Nabopolassar (612 B.C.E.)...According to the same chronicle, in the 14th year of Nabopolassar (612 B.C.E.), Ashur-uballit II attempted to continue Assyrian rule from Haran as his capital city. This chronicle states, under the 17th year of Nabopolassar (609 B.C.E.): “In the month Duʼuzu, Ashur-uballit, king of Assyria, (and) a large [army of] E[gy]pt [who had come to his aid] crossed the river (Euphrates) and [marched on] to conquer Harran.” (Ancient Near Eastern Texts, p. 305; brackets and parentheses theirs.) Actually, Ashur-uballit was trying to reconquer it after having been driven out. This record is in harmony with the account relative to the activity of Pharaoh Nechoh recorded at 2 Kings 23:29, which activity resulted in the death of King Josiah of Judah (c. 609 B.C.E.). This text states that “Pharaoh Nechoh the king of Egypt came up to the king of Assyria by the river Euphrates”—evidently to help him. “The king of Assyria” to whom Nechoh came may well have been Ashur-uballit II. Their campaign against Haran did not succeed. The Assyrian Empire had ended.]

[w65 6/1 - Babylon succeeded Assyria as the Third World Power.]

[Insight- Particularly was this domination manifest during the seventh and sixth centuries B.C.E. when Nabopolassar, a native of Chaldea, and his successors, Nebuchadnezzar II, Evil-merodach (Awil-Marduk), Neriglissar, Labashi-Marduk, Nabonidus, and Belshazzar, ruled the Third World Power, Babylon. That dynasty came to its end when “Belshazzar the Chaldean king was killed.”]

[w55 2/1 - The outstanding Absolute date for the B.C. period of the Hebrew Scriptures is that for the fall of Babylon as the capital city of the third world power at the hands of Cyrus, king of the Persians, October 13, 539 B.C., Julian calendar (or October 7 by our present Gregorian calendar), which event is referred to at Isaiah 45:1. This date is made Absolute by reason of the archaeological discovery and deciphering of the famous Nabunaid Chronicle, which itself gives a date for the fall of Babylon and which figure specialists have determined equals October 13, 539 B.C., according to the Julian calendar of the Romans.]

609 Nabopolassar 17th year - Fall of Harran

605 Nabopolassar 21st year and Nebuchadnezzar 1st year

587 Nebuchadnezzar 18th year

562 Nebuchadnezzar 43rd year

539 Belshazzar killed - end of Babylon as the 3rd world power

609+539=70 years

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3 Changes The Watchtower Made on Babylon The Great in the Last 6 Months

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/vpws6ncqpla?si=dqnf7-hupfr4pdta.

for decades, jehovah’s witnesses have been banging on about babylon the great—the so-called world empire of false religion—being on the brink of collapse.

any day now, they assured us, churches would empty out, priests would be left twiddling their thumbs, and humanity would collectively bin organised religion.

Duran

Change 2: The Great Tribulation No Longer Starts with Babylon’s Fall
According to the latest interpretation, the Great Tribulation actually starts with something quite different: nations handing over their power to the United Nations.

Actually, what they have recently said is correct.

They have claimed that the nations/UN turn on BTG. They said that as though just out of the blue this would happen. Now they are saying that first before the nations/UN can turn on BTG, the nations will give their power to the UN and then when empowered they will turn on BTG.

As I said, they are now correct in what they are saying. But what they fail to speak about is what would lead to the nations given their power to the UN. That event has to come first, then as a result they give their power and then as a result they together turn on BTG.

[ 13 These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast. 16 And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. 17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.]

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Duran

Scriptures state God is the alpha and the omega.

So, he is the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet?

The First and the Last of what and what?

The Beginning and the End of what and what?

That aside as it says nothing to what I said:

Apply the same explanation to how God is said to exist.

Explain how God came into existence. When you're done, then answer if that is what you claim about God existing, then maybe there is no God at all, but is the said explanation of how all things that do exist came to be?

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Duran

And what was responsible for the star?

Apply the same explanation to how God is said to exist.

But ~~thankfully~~ sadly life forms did survive and led to the evolution and humans.

Fixed that for you.

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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Duran

puts his fingers in his ears

No, I don't think he can to that because his head is up his ass.

ignores any attempt of dealing with actual material presented.

This is so.

______

Anyway, even though he can't dispute what I have shown, I am curious to what the following looks like.

[dp -Nebuchadnezzar, who reigned for 43 years, headed a dynasty that ruled over the Babylonian Empire. It included his son-in-law Nabonidus and his oldest son, Evil-merodach. That dynasty continued for 43 more years, until the death of Nabonidus’ son Belshazzar, in 539 B.C.E.]

43+43=86+539=625-43=582

So, WTS claims Neb reigned 625-582. That makes sense because his true years of rule were 605-562, but they add 20 magical years to those years.

Going by their years:

Neb>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jehoiakim

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>629 1st year (true year 609)

625 1st year>>>> 4th year (true year 605)

618 7th year>>>>11th year (true year 598)

617 8th year>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jehoiachin (true year 597)>>>Zedekiah (true year 597)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>608 9th year of Zed (true year 588)

607 18th year

606 19th year>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>11th year of Zed (true year 586)

602 23rd year

580>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>37th year of Jehoiachin (true year 560)

187

Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Duran

In all that I posted already, the WTS acknowledges:

1. That Assyria ended as the second world power in the 17th year of Nabopolassar's kingship when Harran fell in 609.

2. That Babylon became the third world power until 539 when it fell, and Medo-Persia became the fourth world power.

Nabopolassar's 17th year 609 until 539 with the death of Belshazzar is when Babylon was the 3rd world power for 70 years, its greatest domination period. Although 7 different kings ruled during those 70 years, it was considered as 'one king' while it was the 3rd world power.

_

[Insight- Particularly was this domination manifest during the seventh and sixth centuries B.C.E. when Nabopolassar, a native of Chaldea, and his successors, Nebuchadnezzar II, Evil-merodach (Awil-Marduk), Neriglissar, Labashi-Marduk, Nabonidus, and Belshazzar, ruled the Third World Power, Babylon. That dynasty came to its end when “Belshazzar the Chaldean king was killed.”]

Nabopolasar (626-605) = 21 years >>>17th year 609 Harran fell beginning the domination period for Babylon as the 3rd world power.

Nebuchadnezzar (605-562) = 43 years

Awil-Marduk (562 -560) = 2 years

Neriglissar (560- 556) = 4 years

Labashi-Marduk (556-556) 9 months

Nabonidus/Belshazzar (556 - 539) =17 years

[Isaiah’s Prophecy - True to the prophecy, for the duration of “one king”—the Babylonian Empire— He says: “These nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.” (Jeremiah 25:8-17, 22, 27) Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination— Different nations come under that domination at different times. But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble.]

[w53 7/15 -The rulers of Egypt were cruel, wicked men and greatly oppressed the people. Their government, which became the first world power, was a complete and miserable failure. It was conquered by Assyria, the second world power, likewise under the influence of Satan.]

[Insight - The Babylonian Chronicle B.M. (British Museum) 21901 recounts the fall of Nineveh, the capital of Assyria...This chronicle states, under the 17th year of Nabopolassar (609 B.C.E.): “In the month Duuzu, Ashuruballit, king of Assyria, and a large army of Egypt who had come to his aid crossed the river Euphrates and marched on to conquer Harran.” Their campaign against Haran did not succeed. The Assyrian Empire had ended.]

[w65 6/1 - Babylon succeeded Assyria as the Third World Power.]

[Insight - By now the Medes and Persians under command of Cyrus the Great were on the march to take over control of Babylonia and become the fourth world power. During the night of October 5, 539 B.C.E. (Gregorian calendar), Babylon was seized, and Belshazzar was slain.]