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JWN, 23 years posting Blondie

by blondie in

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can i call you friends, i think so after 23 years posting here.

i am dismayed how jwn is being "dominated" or taken over by a few posters, peppering the comments.

in the past, the admin did not approve of this and did remove some posters from jwn.

Duran

There is a huge difference between promoting and analysing.

I am not advocating for promoting/evangelizing a particular religious point of view here. I am just pointing out that when it comes to ex-JWs which this site is claimed to be for, that many ex-JWs/PIMOs have not stop believing in the Bible, etc, they have just stop beieveing in the WTS/GB. Because of that if they are here then that is going to come through when speaking/posting here.

analysing the doctrines that once held us all captive is helpful.

Agreed. But for many analyzing and finding out WTS/GB doctrine is BS does not = thinking the Bible is BS. I know that you believe that it is, and I can understand why you feel that way, but the captive part was to the WTS/GB, not to the Bible.

Again, I am not saying believe the Bible or not, I am just saying that I think there are more ex-JWs that still believe in the Bible, etc. then those who became atheist, so that when coming on an ex-JW site it is not surprising to see these ex-JWs still talk about the Bible and belief in God as it pertains to the future as there is even a topics for that here.

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JWN, 23 years posting Blondie

by blondie in

jw
friends

can i call you friends, i think so after 23 years posting here.

i am dismayed how jwn is being "dominated" or taken over by a few posters, peppering the comments.

in the past, the admin did not approve of this and did remove some posters from jwn.

Duran

This is not a place to promote religious beliefs.

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Critical analysis of the WatchTower Bible & Tract Society publications and the bible

Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
What Jehovah's Witnesses believe and why they do what they do

It seems to be a confusing fine line here. If you are an ex-JW, it would seem that you believed in Jehovah, Jesus and the Bible and that the WTS/GB being the ones that were chosen to teach about them.

Then it seems that because of many different factors having to do with the WTS/GB, that it causes many to stop believing in the WTS/GB, which in turn causes them to become an ex-JW.

Stopping believing in the WTS/GB does not = stopping believing in Jehovah, Jesus and the Bible.

So, is this site truly for ex-JWs or is it only for ex-JWs that no longer believe in Jehovah, Jesus, and the Bible as a result of their stop believing in the WTS/GB?

I had always thought that this site was made up of all people that are ex-JWs or PIMOs but had varying degrees of belief in the Bible, Jehovah and Jesus.

I thought the common hatred/anger had to do with the WTS/GB, not the Bible, etc. Even the strongest atheist here, if they were JWs at some point, then they themselves read the Bible and prayed to Jehovah in the past.

I get that the disappointment and wrong doings of the WTS/GB led to the anger/hatred of them. I even get that that leads to the disbelief in God and the Bible for some. But I don't understand why those ex-JWs are against the ex-JWs that have not lost their belief in the Bible, etc.

One of the most effective ways to show that the WTS/GB are full of shit in what they teach is to use the Bible (Scriptures) along with their own publications.

If someone points out the BS from the WTS in regard to 607/537, 1914/1918, etc. they get a LIKE from the atheist. If that same someone while pointing out the BS of the 42 months with 1914/1918, says that those 42 months are still future, then it is a DISLIKE because the atheist does not like that this someone still believes in the Bible even though they showed that the WTS/GB were wrong in what they say.

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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change

by Listener in

a change to their doctrine came from jackson.

this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.

but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.

Duran

July 2013 Watchtower which says “In the larger fulfillment, the “standing” will occur when the United Nations (the modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks Christendom (which is holy in the eyes of nominal Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great. The same attack is described at Revelation 17:16-18. That event will be the beginning of the great tribulation.”

In 2018 they made this change,

Clarification: Conditions in unfaithful Jerusalem—such as idolatry and widespread corruption—remind us of Christendom, but we no longer refer to Christendom as the antitypical Jerusalem.

So, if the is the case what is the holy place/Jerusalem that the UN/DT is supposed to stand in/attack?

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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change

by Listener in

a change to their doctrine came from jackson.

this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.

but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.

Duran

I said this already elsewhere:

When using the word anointed from JW world, they are referring to those chosen to rule with Jesus.

The time of the 8th king and taking the MOTB has not come yet, therefore no one has been forced to take it or refuse it.

No one from the WTS from its start in 1879 to the present that have died already could have been chosen to rule with Jesus according to what is said about those chosen to rule with him, at least where it refers to the MOTB.

[4 And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years.]

Partaking means nothing in regard to being chosen to rule with Jesus. If one was not killed for their faith in God and in Jesus or living during the time of the 8th king and was then killed while faithfully refusing him, they are not of the anointed to be chosen to rule with Jesus.

[9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness they had given. 10 They shouted with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 And a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they had been.]

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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change

by Listener in

a change to their doctrine came from jackson.

this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.

but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.

Duran

Edit - Remember the beast from the sea gets healed, not replaced.

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Annual Meeting live updates

by ukpimo in

i have obtained the live link for the annual meeting tomorrow:.

annual meeting live link.

the meeting will begin at 9:45am eastern time, for those of us in the uk, that will be 2:45pm.

Duran

So what was the old doctrine, and how is this change any different?

It was said the GT starts when all of the sudden out of the blue God will put it in the hearts of the UN and all nations (10 kings) to turn on BTG. That has been the thing JWs have been waiting to happen.

Now it is said that all of the sudden out of the blue God puts it in the hearts of the nations (10 kings) to give their power to the UN and once that happens, then the UN and nations will turn on BTG bringing on the GT.

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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change

by Listener in

a change to their doctrine came from jackson.

this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.

but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.

Duran

1) Remember beast with deathstroke only had ruling authority 42 months. Beast from the earth would take its place: "He exercised all the ruling authority of the first beast on his behalf" (Rev. 13:12). "The second beast was empowered to give life to the image of the first beast" (Rev. 13:15 NET). First beast is no more. Beast from the earth brought to life a new beast.

No that is not the case. The beast the gets the death-stroke is from the sea. It gets the stroke at the point of it being the 7th king (present time). When it gets healed is when it is given the 42 months becoming the 8th king.

The beast from the earth never replaces the beast from sea, it works alongside of the beast of sea as a false prophet misleading people to follow it/worship it/takes its mark. The beast from the earth does not bring about a new beast, he brings about an image and mark of the beast from the sea. Remember the beast from the earth gets healed, not replaced.

The beast from the sea (8th king) and beast from the earth (false prophet) both get thrown into the fiery lake together when Jesus comes. That is when the beast from the sea is no more as well as the one from the earth. Rev 13:3,5,11-16;19:20

3) I'd say we are now at Rev. 6:8. Next is Rev. 6:12 (sixth seal).

No Rev 6:8 yet. When we are at that point, we will not be with internet typing away on this site.

The 6th seal comes after the GT/42 months. (Rev 6:12)

2) One hour is not equal to 42 months (3 1/2 years). (11:13; 17:12; 18:10, 17, 19; cf. 8:1).

The MOTB is given out during the 42 months the beast/8th king is in power. Taking the MOTB or refusing it is Jehovah's 'hour of judgment' upon mankind. Rev 14:7

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Annual Meeting live updates

by ukpimo in

i have obtained the live link for the annual meeting tomorrow:.

annual meeting live link.

the meeting will begin at 9:45am eastern time, for those of us in the uk, that will be 2:45pm.

Duran

I can just see Ayatollah Khamenei handing over power from Iran to the UN

That is what this is used for. Then after 2 billion are dead many will be eager for the UN to rule, they will be begging for it.

Perhaps Ayatollah Khamenei and the many like him will be among the 2 billion.

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Annual Meeting live updates

by ukpimo in

i have obtained the live link for the annual meeting tomorrow:.

annual meeting live link.

the meeting will begin at 9:45am eastern time, for those of us in the uk, that will be 2:45pm.

Duran

According to the Watchtower they will submit to the UN

I wouldn't be surprised. IDK maybe they are part of the false prophet or work with to mislead people to take the MOTB, etc. Revelation 13:13,14;19:20

I have always been suspicious of how they could refer to Ted Turner has a refreshing individual.

14 In a selfish and nationalistic world, it is refreshing to find individuals who can and do look beyond national borders. Granted, overcoming prejudices can be difficult. The founder of the television network CNN, Ted Turner, comments about his work with a number of talented individuals from various nations: “Meeting with these people was an incredible experience. I came to see those from other countries not as ‘foreigners,’ but as fellow citizens of the planet. I began to view the word ‘foreign’ as pejorative and created a rule within CNN that the word could not be used either on air or in conversation around the office. Instead, the word ‘international’ was to be used.”

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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change

by Listener in

a change to their doctrine came from jackson.

this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.

but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.

Duran

"Even though the "Great Crowd" is growing larger all the time and the remnant of the "Little Flock" of anointed followers of Christ is getting smaller in numbers..." WT 3/1 pg 149

LOL! That was said in 1961.

Just another thing the WTS/GB needs to adjust in their understanding/make a change is that there is no GC as of yet. None who have died since 61 and prior and who continue to die presently each day can be part of the said GC. This is because the GC is said to come out of the GT which is still yet to come. So, if one does not live during the time of the GT they cannot be part of the said GC that come out of it.

[9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”...13 In response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” 14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.]

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Well their is a globalist socialist platform out there. But the only way it will work is to get the united States to give up it's sovereignty.

(5:10 - 6:10min)

Walter Cronkite World Federalist Association (youtube.com)