Posts by Duran

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

I'm looking for a scripture connecting the 8th king to a judgment period. Also you confuse the 8th king, "the beast that was and is not," i.e., beast from the abyss (17:8, 11) with beast from the sea (13:1, 2).

No there is no confusion about the two because they are one in the same.

Putting the 8th king (beast from abyss) aside for the moment.

The beast from the sea and the beast from the earth (false prophet) come to their end when Jesus comes. Also, at that time, all that took the MOTB, etc come to their end.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>42 months>>>>>>>Jesus comes>>>>>>>

In order for that to take place at that time, logically the 42 months of the sea beast has to take place where people are taking or refusing the MOTB, etc. This is whereby the use of this sea beast, the choice has to be made by all people, which they will be judged by, is to support the beast and reject God or worship God and reject the beast.

If you support the beast (reject God), you will be among those that are killed and left as bird food when Jesus comes. If you reject the beast (worship God) you will undergo GT during that time under the sea beast 42 months, but you will end up part of the GC or one of the ones that rule with Jesus when he comes.

Those 42 months under the sea beast serve as the judgment by God on his house to find who really are his people. Obviously, those who support the sea beast are not God's people and they will receive their judgment of death (being bird food) by Jesus when he comes.

Those that refuse the sea beast, worshipping God instead, these are his people and are judged to receive their reward of life being part of the GC or ruling with Jesus.

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The sea beast 'was' - gets a death-stroke/'is not' - then gets its death-stoke healed - at which point it is given authority for 42 months and those that follow/support the sea beast, their names are not in the book of life. Also, this sea beast and the kings of the earth come against Jesus and are killed by him, etc. (Revelation 13:3,5,8;19:19,20)

>>>sea beast 'was'>>>is not>>healed given authority 42months>>Jesus comes>>>>

Scarlet beast 'was' - goes into the abyss/'is not'- then comes out of the abyss - at which point the kings give their authority to it making it the 8th king and those that follow/support 8th king, their names are not in the book of life. Also, it and the kings come against Jesus and are killed by him, etc. (Revelation 17:8,11-14,17)

>>>scarlet beast 'was'>>>is not>>comes out of abyss given authority>>Jesus comes>>>

Right now, the sea/scarlet beast is in its was/is state as the 7th king. When it receives it death-stroke/goes into the abyss and then gets healed/comes out of the abyss, it will become the 8th king. Then it goes off into destruction/thrown into the fiery lake by Jesus. Revelation 17:11,14;19:19,20

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

And for the life of me I cannot discover the "judgement" of the 8th king. Perhaps you can enlighten us as to the scripture you are referring to.

Are you kidding me? Are you clicking on the hyperlinks? I always include Scriptures in whatever I say.

What are you not understanding in regard to a judgment brought on by use of the 8th king?

You say:

I do agree, that eventually there will only be two groups left, those for God and those against.

How/when do you suppose these two groups come about if not by the 8th king?

For me the beasts represent governing entities, same as in Daniel.

What does that have to do with what I have said? I didn't say they were not.

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

The Scriptures inform us of judgment to come.... So when can we expect His judgment to commence?

As shown in the Scriptures above, 1 Peter 4:17 shows there are two judgments to come. The first being the judgement on what is said to be the 'house of God' (the world). In that case, God uses the 8th king to carry it out. His rule comes upon the whole world and results in bringing about two groups. Those (weeds) that support the 8th king, thereby reject God/Jesus (apostasy) and those (fine seed/wheat) that reject the 8th king in support of God/Jesus. Those that reject the 8th king will have GT during that period. These are God's/Jesus' true people who will be enduring faithfully waiting for Jesus to come to deliver/recuse them from the 8th king's rule.

When Jesus does come after that appointed 42-month period of GT, then the 8th king and all that supported him will receive their judgment of death/killed off. All that rejected the 8th king will be the GC and those that rule with Jesus. (The sun, moon, star event occurs at the point between the 8th king's rule ending and Jesus coming. The two groups seeing that sign react in two ways based on who they supported during the 8th king rule.)

[17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God?]

(During the appointed time is when they who are rejecting the 8th king will be suffering tribulation but then get relief. Then the outcome for those that support the 8th king will result in their destruction.)

[7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder among all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.]

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Yes, I believe the parousia will occur, hopefully soon, when Christ will judge the world and separate the wheat from the chaff.

The so-called 'parousia' is the same as Jesus' 'second coming' and does not take place until after the 8th king rule.

As already said above...the 8th king is the means by which the world is judged to start. The wheat and chaff are separated first by their own choice on who they choose to support, God/Jesus or the 8th king. Then when Jesus comes after the 8th king rule, he will do away with those that chose the 8th king as well as the 8th king himself.

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

[12 “The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast. 13 These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast. 17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.]

[6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people. 7 He was saying in a loud voice: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of judgment by him has arrived, so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and the springs of water.”]

[ 17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God? ]

[24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.]

[ 2 But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months.]

[ 3 I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy for 1,260 days dressed in sackcloth.”] [7 When they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will wage war with them and conquer them and kill them.]

[ 5 It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months. 7 It was permitted to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. 10 If anyone is meant for captivity, he will go into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones.]

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In the past 24 hours, the world has been breaking into fragments. What will be the Outcome??

by liam in

new german chancellor merz has won the election.

trump congratulated his victory but the response was not what trump expected.

merz condemned america, saying that america seemed to be aligning with russia.. he also expressed doubts about nato’s future.. he is now advocating that germany must gain independence from usa.

Duran

sounding exactly like W.C. Fields!

LOL!

"Apparently" This Kid is Awesome, Steals the Show During Interview

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

No, you are deflecting. We are talking about Matthew 24 and the generation that was warned when to flee to the mountains beyond Judea. And you have not answered a single question I asked on the subject.

LOL! You have no clue to what you are talking about...

Your very first comment on this was:

Absolutely clear that the GB does not know how to interpret scripture. The GT of Matthew 24 occurred and terminated in the first century with the destruction of Jerusalem. The GT was a non-repeatable local event affecting "this people" inhabiting Judea and Jerusalem.
To make it a dual prophecy, is to make Jesus speaking simultaneously, literally to His generation of believers and figuratively to ours. And we are left trying to figure out what praying our flight will not be in winter or on a Sabbath means. And what Jerusalem and Judea means and what the mountains mean and what not going home to pick up your jacket when roofing means...etc.

To which I replied:

It does have a future application according to the Bible. But the parts that you are referring to do not apply.

We are talking about the GT pertaining to a future event that leads to Jesus' second coming.

Rev shows that the 42 months living under the 8th king while refusing him, is the future GT that the GC and those that rule with Jesus will come out of.

Also, Thessalonians shows that when Jesus comes, it is during a time of Trib upon those that have faith in him, they are in need of relief.

There is no question according to what the Bible states, GT is future and leads to Jesus coming.

The Bible may just be all BS which in that case none of this will ever come to be, but regardless this is still what the Bible states.

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

I'll leave Revelation to scholars Duran. But do you agree that this generation in the gospels is singularly about Christ's own generation?

LOL! Way to deflect Van.

We are not talking about 'generation', we are talking about there being or not being, a future 42 month said GT after 66-70.

Do you really need scholars to know if the following has happened:

Rev 17:13;13:5,7,10;14:6,7,9-10;7:9,13,14;20:4;19:20,21

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

As I indicated, I don't need to get into the book of Revelation to interpret Matthew 24 and parallel passages.

I am not concerned about the need for you to continue to interpret Matt 24. I said, let's say that you are right about all you say in regard to the GT during 66-70.

I just want to know, do you believe the GC came out of the 66-70 GT period, or does the GC come out of 'another' said GT period? (Revelation 7:9,13,14)

If you say 'another', then when is that GT period to occur or has it already, if so, when?

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IS JESUS A CREATED BEING? DEBATE WITH PASTOR

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/ro6q_osgkns?si=hyxualluhruwvjnb.

—colossians 1:15 from the nwt says it plain as day: “he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation.” that’s not vague; it’s got a punch.

“firstborn” and “creation” sit side by side, and in greek, that second word is “ktisis,” which means the physical stuff—trees, stars, you name it.

Duran

SB making his chart...

Premium Photo | 3 years old boy doing painting at the home

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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

by liam in

may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

now the wt is saying that's not enough.

Duran

@Vanderhoven

Can you tell me if the GC mentioned in Rev 7, came out of the 66-70 GT period, or does the GC come out of 'another' said GT period?

If you say 'another', then when is that GT period to occur or has it already, if so, when?

[9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands.13 In response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” 14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.]