Posts by Duran

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

Duran

The scriptures I cited provide more than enough evidence to answer your questions. Why did you not comment on any of them?

I did not comment because I wanted to give you a chance to explain your reasoning. The Scriptures you cited did not answer any of the questions I asked you and I am not surprised you are not willing to answer them yourself. I knew you would not be willing to do so!

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The bible says that death happens when a person's soul leaves their body.

What you are referring to as 'soul leaving the body' is a person dying taking their last breath of life. But you are correct, at that point when that occurs is when a person dies. They are then dead, that's death. They do not 'think, feel, remember, talk etc.' at that point. If they could do any of that then they would not be dead, they would still be alive, the opposite of dead. Ecclesiastes 9:5,6

The Scripture you cited about Rachel (Gen. 35:18,19) shows that she was in the process of dying and with her 'last breath' she called out the name, then she died.

Up until she died, she could 'think, feel, remember, talk etc.', after she died, she could do none of that.

The Scripture you cited about the girl (Luke 8:50) likewise shows that she had died/stop breathing but Jesus healed/saved her causing her to breathe again, be alive. When she was dead/not breathing, not able to 'think, feel, remember, talk etc.', her parents were weeping and mourning for her.

Is Jorge in heaven right now and able to 'think, feel, remember, talk etc.'?

Is every pope since Peter all in heaven right now and all able to 'think, feel, remember, talk etc.'?

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1606. ekpneo - (lit: I breathe out), I breathe my last, expire.

4151. pneuma Spirit, wind, breath

4982. sozo - I save, heal, preserve, rescue

[ 30 When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit.]

[37 But Jesus let out a loud cry and expired.]

[ 18 As she breathed her last—for she was dying—she named her son Ben-Oni. But his father named him Benjamin. 19 So Rachel died and was buried on the way to Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem).]

[ 28 Isaac lived a hundred and eighty years. 29Then he breathed his last and died and was gathered to his people,]

[50 But Jesus having heard, answered him, “Fear not; only believe, and she will be saved.”54 And He having taken hold her of hand, called out, saying, “Child, arise!” 55 And her spirit returned, and she arose immediately; and He directed to be given to her to eat.]

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Does the GB Desire to be Worshipped?

by Sea Breeze in

how did i miss this after studying the rev.

book 3 times:.

obeying christ’s kingdom rule, they (the great crowd) hope to inherit its blessings here on earth.

Duran

How did I miss this after studying the Rev. book 3 times:
Obeying Christ’s Kingdom rule, they (THE GREAT CROWD) hope to inherit its blessings here on earth. They come to Jesus’ anointed ~~brothers~~ popes and “bow down” to them, ~~spiritually~~ physically speaking, because ‘they have heard that God is with them. - Revelation Book Ch. 12 under the subtitle : “They Will Bow Down to You”
Compare with ACTS 10 25 & 26 when Peter would not tolerate a man bowing down to him.
- As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”

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The Disgrace Of Papal Blessing For Ugandan Homophobia | Marc Barnes

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

Duran

Do you have a clue to what you are saying? Putting aside for a moment that all you said is nonsense, I want to at least engage in your reasoning.

According to your thinking, is Jorge in heaven right now thinking, feeling, remembering, talking etc.?

Is he alive or dead in heaven?

Does he have a physical body or is he a spirit being?

Is he whole?

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Is Jesus in heaven right now thinking, feeling, remembering, talking etc.?

Is he alive or dead in heaven?

Does he have a physical body or is he a spirit being?

Is he whole?

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Is Michael the archangel in heaven right now thinking, feeling, remembering, talking etc.?

Is he alive or dead in heaven?

Does he have a physical body or is he a spirit being?

Is he whole?

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

Duran

mocking the dead

Ahh, so he is dead. He is not alive in heaven.

insulting people who mourn

There was no insulting on my part of people for the fact that they mourn. My insulting was directly based to people that claim he is alive in heaven but still say he is dead and therefore feel the need to mourn him.

If he is alive in heaven, then he is not dead. Rejoice you people!

If he is dead, then he is not alive in heaven. Mourn you people!

You dismiss not only Catholicism but every form of religion, then hypocritically wield the Bible like a weapon

That's right, the Bible is my weapon (made up BS or not) and according to the Bible, the field is the WORLD. The field IS NOT the catholic church, nor the WTS, nor ANY other claiming to be God's field/people.

People that are wheat and weeds are found ALL over the WORLD, no matter their beliefs/faith/religion now. When the hour of test comes, it comes upon the WHOLE entirely WORLD, ALL people.

[38 the field is the world. As for the fine seed, these are the sons of the Kingdom, but the weeds are the sons of the wicked one,]

[10 Because you kept the word about my endurance, I will also keep you from the hour of test, which is to come upon the entire inhabited earth, to put to the test those dwelling on the earth.]

[6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people. 7 He was saying in a loud voice: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of judgment by him has arrived, so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and the springs of water.”][9 Another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he will also drink of the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and day and night they have no rest, those who worship the wild beast and its image and whoever receives the mark of its name. 12 Here is where it calls for endurance on the part of the holy ones, those who keep the commandments of God and hold fast to the faith of Jesus.”] cf. Rev 13:5,7,10

[9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”][14 ...“These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.]

[4 And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years.]

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

Duran

You say, “If one believes the Bible, then that one's beliefs should be from the Bible.” And yet your beliefs — sneering mockery, public gloating over a man’s death, vulgar language, and theological incoherence — come not from the Bible but from your own wounded pride and unresolved rage. Where in Scripture does it tell you to laugh at death, to curse those who mourn, to spit on the dignity of another human being?

I really don't understand how you can be as stupid as you are. There was no mockery and gloating from me over his death. You don't know anything about me, and you don't know how to comprehend what you read. I actually embrace death as I see it as the end of suffering. So, if anything, if I were to be saying something negative about your pope, I would have said that I am sorry he died, I wish he were still alive in the hospital suffering from pneumonia with death evading him.

But I never made my comment pertaining to him and his death as about that I am glad he is dead, or I want him to suffer. The name of this topic is 'the pope has died'. So, if any post on here it is going to be in regard to that topic. My comment came from the fact that all day long I could not have on a news channel without seeing coverage of his death and speaking about Catholics mourning his death.

Now I realize that you are a moron, and you cannot understand the fact, that when I hear that, it brings to thought that if they think he is in heaven now, then why mourn and do what they are going to do for 9 days. Why not say, 'wow how wonderful, he was just here in the hospital going through so much and here weak in the wheelchair, but now he is in heaven, actually with his Jesus God, wow so happy for him.'

The shirt comment mocks you living Catholics, not Jorge the person. Saying you are happy he died, should mean to a Catholic that he is no longer suffering in this world, but is now in heaven, happy, and with God. But from what I see on TV coverage is that his life came to an end and everyone is sad and mourning him as if he is not alive right now in heaven. I said nothing on a personal level about a person mourning the loss of someone. I am saying something about the fact that people are not acting in a way that goes along with what they claim to believe.

Why didn't Jorge say, 'when I die, don't mourn me, but rejoice that I am going to the Father. And don't waste time and money on a funeral, give any money that you would have used for that, give it to the needy. And just cremate my body and dump it in the ocean.'

No, but he didn't say that did he. Gee, I wonder what the angel that spoke to John is thinking right now while seeing what is going down here on earth for the next 9 days. Do you think that angel and Jorge are watching together? Do you think Jorge is watching with Karol seeing who has a bigger funeral?

If you were truly critical of the GB, you would have already switched to some scholarly translation instead of the NWT a long time ago, for example I recommended NRSVue to you a long time ago (not even is it not Catholic one), instead you use the NWT's falsifications to support your JW theological bias.

What nonsense! So, I can say that the GB are liars, they were not chosen by Jesus in 1919, everything they say about 607/1914 is false, but yet because I use the NWT to show their own false teachings, somehow that means that I am not really critical of them?

So according to you, I can say:

[The WTS says that Babylon was called to account in 539. Jehovah said he was going to call them to account when/after 70 years have been fulfilled/completed, therefore 539 must have been the 70th year, making 609 the beginning of those 70 years. So, the 70 years are 609-539 and not 607-537.]

But if I use the NWT in showing verse 11 and 12 then I don't mean what I said about the 70 years in proving the WTS wrong, only if I use the URSVue do I mean it?

[ 11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”’12 “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.]

[NRSVue 11 This whole land shall become a ruin and a waste, and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years. 12 Then after seventy years are completed, I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation, the land of the Chaldeans, for their iniquity, says the Lord, making the land an everlasting waste.]

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

Duran

You pretend you never asked us to “compare what Jehovah’s Witnesses show in the Bible.” But your whole line of thought is that comparison. You quote exclusively from the NWT, and all your comments are filled with links to the their website.
Your theology of death is a confused mess of contradiction and coldness. Let’s walk through your logic:
You claim it's “illogical” to mourn a man who went to heaven.
Yet you don’t believe he went to heaven.
And you think all religions (including Catholicism and JWs) are false.
But you still quote the Bible as your supposed authority.

LOL!!!!! What a F%*cking fool you are.

First off you dip shit, this site is for ex and current JWs that don't believe the GB. It is not for Catholics or their beliefs. Why are you even here?

That being the case, why would I not quote from their NWT and have links to quotes from their website? We here use the WTS's own words to show their LIES.

And how retarded can you be that you actually knowingly point out that I believe all religions are false and I quote the Bible as my authority and yet you don't understand that concept? Whoever does not believe in the Bible that is fine, I can understand that. But whoever does claim to believe it, it should be the sole authority of their beliefs. Their beliefs should not be based upon what a group of men in NY say or what a little ridiculous man in a white dress and a little white cap says.

If one believes the Bible, then that one's beliefs should be from the Bible.

[ 4 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements to see whether they originate with God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.]

[ 11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.]

And YES, I do not believe he went to heaven, and I think it is foolish for people who think he did go to heaven, to mourn him.

My dad died 4 years ago. How foolish would it be if going back to that time when he was buried, and I was there at his grave the day of, on my knees crying and praying. Then behind me he walks up and touches me on the shoulder, and I look up at him and say 'oh even though you are here and alive, I have to turn and keep praying and mourning you for 9 days because you died and are buried right here in this grave, even though you have been resurrected and are alive now.'

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

Duran

Your statement is not only appallingly disrespectful and juvenile, it exposes the deep moral and theological bankruptcy of the ideology you subscribe to. You mock death, trivialize the dignity of the human person,

Of course, it is no surprise that you would be the one to show the example of the people I spoke about of how fast they would be offended at such a statement.

The mockery is not on the death of Jorge Bergoglio as a person; it is on those who claim that they believe when you die you go to heaven but then go on to mourn as though the person that died is gone forever.

But here’s the deeper irony: you don’t actually believe he’s in heaven. Your cult teaches that Pope Francis is part of “Babylon the Great,” the so-called “world empire of false religion.”

You are correct, I do not believe he is in heaven now. But again, it is not about me and what I believe when I spoke about the shirt. It is about what others claim to believe and then do not act in harmony with their own beliefs.

And YES, I believe that he is (or was, cause he's DEAD now) part of false religion, but I believe ALL religions are false, including JWs, so I don't know why you say, 'my cult', I am not now nor ever was a JW.

You ask us to “compare what Jehovah’s Witnesses show in the Bible”

When have I ever asked such a thing?

If this is the kind of “good news” you believe Jehovah’s Witnesses are called to spread — the celebration of death, and the mockery of human suffering — then I can confidently say your gospel is not that of Jesus Christ.

Again, you have no clue when you address me as if I speak as a JW. I speak based on what is written in the Bible, something you nor they do.

And always showing what a fool you are!

[ 9 Do not be quick to take offense, for the taking of offense lodges in the bosom of fools.]

Again, back to the point I was showing, if Catholics truly believed their beloved pope Jorge Bergoglio upon his death is in heaven now, then there would be no cause for suffering now and there would be cause for celebration.

[ 28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.]

If anyone has ever read the Bible, they would know that at present in regard to death, other than rejoicing over Jesus' return to heaven, that all others that have died, have the hope of being resurrected, even Jorge Bergoglio could be.

[13 Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death, so that you may not sorrow as the rest do who have no hope.]

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The Pope’s death will automatically trigger a nine-day mourning period known as the Novendiale and, during this time, daily prayers and requiem masses will be held in the Vatican as well as in the Catholic world.

If Catholics think Jorge went to the Father, should they be rejoicing now or mourning now?

rejoice - to feel joy or great delight

mourn - feel or show deep sorrow or regret for (someone or their death)

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Curious? How many members of this group feel we are living in the "End Times"?

by Balaamsass2 in

i like to take a peek at the kids over on reddit every week or so.. this thread caught my eye:" curious….

do any ex jw or pimo, still believe the world is ending.

i see people who have never been witnesses think that the world will end soon and they say things like “jesus is coming soon”….

Duran

I believe that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is what initiates the time of the end, and that is still future.

You don't know what you believe. You are a RK follower.

Jesus' so-called 'second coming' is after the 42-month GT of the 8th rule. Therefore, Jesus' coming does not imitate the 'time of the end', his 'second coming' concludes it, and begins the millennium rule.

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

Duran

I would like to make up a shirt that has print on front and back. The front would say 'I am happy the pope died'. Then when people react getting mad like idiots (over such a ridiculous man) because they would find it insulting that people are happy that their pope died, then I would turn around and the back would ask, 'aren't you happy the pope died and is in heaven now'?

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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025

by raymond frantz in

the following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.

each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.

we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.

Duran

Stop relying on what people in the Bible said or wrote and understand the mechanics of the process itself.

LOL! What a clown you are.

First off, the Bible itself may very well just be made up BS from people of the past. But whether true or not, it still says what it says. That being the case, you have no choice but to rely on what 'people' of the Bible said/wrote. If you ignored what they say, then there is no basis for even considering anything pertaining to 'anointed', a 'resurrection', etc.

The first resurrection of the anointed who have died as already occurred.

If that is true, then tell me when was the 'last day' that that resurrection occurred?

[ 39 This is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose none out of all those whom he has given me, but that I should resurrect them on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”]

It's simple. When Jesus became king, he resurrected the anointed who are already dead.

If that is true, when did the 'last trumpet' sound and why is there a trumpet sound heard in the future after the GT if you claim the 'last trumpet' already sounded?

[52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed.]

[29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.]