It is, however, interesting that the word aroom seemingly corroborates the description of the snake in Genesis with the way the snake is described by completely different and opposing spiritual and mystical writings.
Halcon
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The snake of Genesis 3:1
by Halcon inwe've got some really knowledgeable members on here so i have a question for them and everybody.
what was the earliest adjective used to describe the snake of genesis 3:1?
currently one can read words in english translations like 'cunning' and 'crafty'....but in other languages you see words like 'wise' and astute...which convey a completely different idea.. i'm wondering what may have been the earliest and most accurate adjective known or used.
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The snake of Genesis 3:1
by Halcon inwe've got some really knowledgeable members on here so i have a question for them and everybody.
what was the earliest adjective used to describe the snake of genesis 3:1?
currently one can read words in english translations like 'cunning' and 'crafty'....but in other languages you see words like 'wise' and astute...which convey a completely different idea.. i'm wondering what may have been the earliest and most accurate adjective known or used.
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Diogenesister-it almost sounds like the Bible wasn't quite so black and white when this was written. (Ie not the later idea of absolute evil and good)
Or, the scriptures were being accurate in describing the snake's comprehension of the "mechanics" or functions of the spiritual world in relation to the physical one.
The 'navigation' part of the definition of aroom is especially interesting. Going back to the gnostic beliefs, the snake is described as being a benevolent figure who has the capacity to show a human being the path back to their divinity, aka become one with God again. This implies that the being, identified as satan to Christians (hence I assume the translation of the word into "crafty" or cunning), knew how to maneuver between spirit and flesh with ease.
In the garden of Eden, the snake claimed that Eve would be like God, which again is a concept associated today with gnosticism (this of course being a version of much older concepts). He seemed to be playing the benevolent role of the gnostics here, implying he had knowledge that could transform her.
The snake, as Genesis describes, did in fact posses wisdom and insight into the method of transforming from spirit into flesh and vice versa that made it stand apart from other spiritual beings that presumably didn't know how to. Where it lied blatantly was in claiming that a human could be like God himself.
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The snake of Genesis 3:1
by Halcon inwe've got some really knowledgeable members on here so i have a question for them and everybody.
what was the earliest adjective used to describe the snake of genesis 3:1?
currently one can read words in english translations like 'cunning' and 'crafty'....but in other languages you see words like 'wise' and astute...which convey a completely different idea.. i'm wondering what may have been the earliest and most accurate adjective known or used.
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Thank you goowy, vidqun and kaleb. This is all very helpful and interesting.
It means "shrewd" in the sense of "prudence" in clever knowledge and sight, usually in navigation.
This definition of aroom in particular seems to be well aligned with the general gnostic interpretation of the snake, which I was reading into the other day.
Coincidentally, Taze Russell seems to have been greatly influenced by the Freemason line of thought, of which it burrowed much from the gnostic one.
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The snake of Genesis 3:1
by Halcon inwe've got some really knowledgeable members on here so i have a question for them and everybody.
what was the earliest adjective used to describe the snake of genesis 3:1?
currently one can read words in english translations like 'cunning' and 'crafty'....but in other languages you see words like 'wise' and astute...which convey a completely different idea.. i'm wondering what may have been the earliest and most accurate adjective known or used.
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Halcon
We've got some really knowledgeable members on here so I have a question for them and everybody.
What was the earliest adjective used to describe the snake of Genesis 3:1?
Currently one can read words in English translations like 'cunning' and 'crafty'....but in other languages you see words like 'wise' and astute...which convey a completely different idea.
I'm wondering what may have been the earliest and most accurate adjective known or used.
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Branch dedication London
by ExBethelitenowPIMA ini’ve been invited to the dedication at chelmsford.. it’s crazy here, several thousand ex bethelites here for lots of events.
all hotels booked.
big marquee.
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Halcon
What is Chelmsford replacing?
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40 Years Ago Today: May 15th 1984 "1914 Generation" issue was released. False prophecy, thy name is WatchTower.
by WingCommander init's incredible how this cover, and also this "series" of watchtower's is burned into my mind.
i was almost 5 years old when these were released.
“1914 and you” — may 1, 1984 watchtower.
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Halcon
The one time I let my tongue slip in front of elders was when I pointed to an old version of a book (Reasoning book?... can't remember) and I said "isn't that now apostate literature?"
I got confused smiles but nothing more thankfully. Later on I thought I was being hyperbolic but then realized I could very well have been spot on.
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A Real Man
by Vanderhoven7 inthe meaning of true love from a man.. by elizabeth rossi, freelance writer .
i hate to say this but most women will go their entire lifetime and never experience the meaning of actual true love.. it's even slightly depressing to think that most people will never understand how powerful this picture actually is; a prime example of how men should be treating their partner with everyday that passes.. we unfortunately live in a generation with men who have no idea what it takes to be a real man.. let me give you a couple examples of a real man ....... a real man asks about your day and genuinely cares about the answer.. a real man respects your boundaries and never forces you to anything you're not ready to do.. he makes time for you, and takes that time to learn and understand who you are as a person.. a real man consistently shows you the definition of effort with every day that passes.. he will call you randomly throughout the day just to check on you and your mental health.. a real man is undeniably committed to you and looks for new ways to fall in love with you with every day that passes.. he makes protecting your heart a number one priority.. a real man never makes permanent decisions based on temporary emotions.. he never confuses you on where you stand in his life.. a real man apologizes when he is wrong and stays true to his character.. he doesn't mind hurting other people's feeling to protect yours.. a real man gives you affection without sexual expectation.. a real man refuses to entertain any women that isn't you.. he has genuine intentions with you from day one and shows you how it truly feels to be a priority rather an option.. a real man will help you heal from the trauma that nobody apologized for.. a real man values you and would never put themselves in a position to lose you.. take my advice and wait for the man that never let's you fall asleep at night questioning your own self worth.. .
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Tonus -A current day list would be tricky to write, since we no longer agree on what a man even is.
Lol, truth.
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A Real Man
by Vanderhoven7 inthe meaning of true love from a man.. by elizabeth rossi, freelance writer .
i hate to say this but most women will go their entire lifetime and never experience the meaning of actual true love.. it's even slightly depressing to think that most people will never understand how powerful this picture actually is; a prime example of how men should be treating their partner with everyday that passes.. we unfortunately live in a generation with men who have no idea what it takes to be a real man.. let me give you a couple examples of a real man ....... a real man asks about your day and genuinely cares about the answer.. a real man respects your boundaries and never forces you to anything you're not ready to do.. he makes time for you, and takes that time to learn and understand who you are as a person.. a real man consistently shows you the definition of effort with every day that passes.. he will call you randomly throughout the day just to check on you and your mental health.. a real man is undeniably committed to you and looks for new ways to fall in love with you with every day that passes.. he makes protecting your heart a number one priority.. a real man never makes permanent decisions based on temporary emotions.. he never confuses you on where you stand in his life.. a real man apologizes when he is wrong and stays true to his character.. he doesn't mind hurting other people's feeling to protect yours.. a real man gives you affection without sexual expectation.. a real man refuses to entertain any women that isn't you.. he has genuine intentions with you from day one and shows you how it truly feels to be a priority rather an option.. a real man will help you heal from the trauma that nobody apologized for.. a real man values you and would never put themselves in a position to lose you.. take my advice and wait for the man that never let's you fall asleep at night questioning your own self worth.. .
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Halcon
Nicolau- Christian men are terrified of strong, independent women, that's why they love this stuff, it just reinforces the Bibles sexist attitudes.
I consider myself Christian, but certainly not "terrified" of strong independent women.
What some may consider the Bible's sexist attitudes others may see it as simply highlighting human nature.
Interestingly, the Bible recommends in the new testament that men not marry. Jesus himself adviced against it. And human nature, imperfect as it is, confirms that wisdom.
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Video: Governing Body's Ridiculous Viewpoint of Higher Education
by Golden4Altar ingoverning body's ridiculous viewpoint of higher education.
to see this video, please click this link: https://jehovahstruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=186#p186.
g4a.
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Halcon
You can't get expelled for going to college. Half the congregation I go to is/went to college. However, nobody talks about it so it's perfectly fine.
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Moving on in a new chapter
by redsetter2 inmoving on is the hardest thing anyone has to cope with.. i have officially left the org.
and now it feels my family have been waiting to do this for a long time, officially shunning me, even though they were practically doing this whilst i was still in.. it feels like i've accomplished a victory and at the same time i feel guilty i was tangled up in communication with someone who "hid who they were" claiming to leak information from bethel.
i got the call from the man who i thought i worked with.
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Halcon
There still is a "10 year plan" idiot, it's just not as detailed as Redsetter1 made it to be.
So he blatantly lied. Let him know there's better ways to get attention.