Halcon

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  Vice President Kamala Harris…your thoughts??

  by minimus in

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  good pick?

  bad pick?

  helpful to president biden?

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  God save us...
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

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  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  Pete- Just as the story is a mythical origin story for why women struggle in childbirth while other animals generally don't and why snakes have no legs, the story is a folk-tale-style treatise on human nature.

  Rather than being a commentary opposing freewill it is actually celebrating the maturation to godlikeness of humans.

  As we touched on earlier Pete, this incident in Genesis speaks to the parts of ourselves that God (if you are a believer) considers most important in us. The rabbi and many other very intelligent people on here that are non believers can still see how it moves the human mind, heart and spirit to help explain that very human nature.
  
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  Tonus- We ended up with one where suffering has been a constant state for thousands of years, and will be a constant state forever for a great many people. I think the former is the better option. If it isn't, then I would be very worried about the nature of the person who runs this universe, that he would see that second outcome as acceptable, especially since it required two people to do what he expressly asked them not to do.

  All of these are signs that we are not the same as God. That the decision is, ultimately, not up to us.
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  Tonus - If we have to be changed this significantly in order to spend eternity with god, it would have been far more sensible to skip the part where things go wrong and incredible suffering results for a few thousand years. If humanity needed repairs, better to have gotten them done right at the start.

  Yes, from a human perspective it seems it would have been much better. The key is, being precisely that we are only human, will we accept that we couldn't decide the time and sequence of events, or not.
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  Halcon

  Only theists claim that life arises from ‘scattered dust.

  Hehe...theists claim life comes from God, not dust....

  .... it's atheists that claim life sprung spontaneously from dust...no help from God needed...
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  Jeffro -There’s no evidence for a deity and your prattle about a ‘truer self’ is esoteric drivel that doesn’t even relate to your first attempt at a definition.

  If spirit animates the inanimate elements, then it follows that spirit is your truer self. Otherwise, scattered dust stays scattered dust.

  So it relates as you can see...I hope.
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  Jeffro -That’s just unverifiable word salad

  Hehe, you have a way of verifying if spirit matches up with my definition?

  Nicolaou -If you actually answer my question and offer a definition what does that say about your belief in unicorns?

  Exactly
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  Jeffro -Still waiting for a meaningful definition of ‘spirit’. Because the previous attempt was entirely asinine, it’s probably worth clarifying the difference between a definition and a function.

  Lol jeffro. Ok, how about this one.

  Spirit is your truer self from the perspective of God.

  I don't think there's anything resembling a function in the previous sentence.

  Nicolaou -Halcon, how would you define 'unicorn'?

  If I give you a definition, will you call it asinine like jeffro did?
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  Halcon

  Pete- Many Jews and Christians would find that comment odd. Most would rather understand the animating of creation, including Adam, as the result of divine 'spirit/wind/breath' -a divine spark. Ecc 3 describes this divine 'spirit' as returning to God. Many saw the same in the trees and the wind.

  I was simply pointing out that the scripture you quoted about Yahweh not being in the wind made sense since God is not the wind, or any other creation.

  Your comments about the divine spark and divine spirit God emits, if I'm understanding them correctly, would be the same as mine.
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  Halcon

  Thanks for the link Pete, I will definitely check this out. I'm right in the middle of David McCullough's 1776, in the spirit of 4th of July. Great read so far. I'll reach for your recommendation next. I'm especially fascinated by the Greek and Roman mythologies since childhood. Looking forward to learning a bit more on the subject.

  However, the Deuteronomist made some adjustments to the story that disturbed him. To keep this brief, he then repeatedly interjects a denial after each physical appearance/manifestation of Yahweh.

  Indeed, this is an aspect that is predominant in the Christian faith...the separation of God from his creation or anything else for that matter.

  We see this separation play out repeatedly in the scriptures. The need for the curtain between the Holy and the Most Holy in the tabernacle and Temple...Moses and Jesus as intermediaries...the example you quoted here...the considerations in this very thread...

  God creates, he remains the Creator but is not his creation. He reinforces this concept over and over.

  As I understand it, this 'law' of separation established by the Creator himself, is what logically leads to the cause and effect of countless incidents in the Bible, the greatest of them being the necessity of Jesus to counterbalance the loss caused by Adam.

  In other words, because NOT all is one...other measures must be taken...(versus God simply starting over for ex).