Posts by Halcon

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God, one person, or three?

by slimboyfat in

the trinity doctrine says god is three persons in one being.. yet the bible says god is one.. gal 3.20 a mediator, however, implies more than one party; but god is one.

niv.

gal 3.20 now a mediator is not for just one person, but god is one.

Halcon

more precisely, this is accepted by people like Dan Brown and other anti-Christian, anti-Catholic, atheist, often communist authors who want to prove at all costs that mainstream Christianity is just a collection of stupid legends, and these poor imbeciles couldn't come up with anything on their own.

aqwsed

The 'argument from authority ' is PRECISELY what you use when you quote all of your sources of authority to attempt to explain ONE simple verse that contradicts the Trinity doctrine. Why are your sources valid but not the ones I and others on this thread referred to?

And when you render ALL of the observations made by all the historians and scholars regarding the undebatable influence Greek philosophy has on Christianity as fodder for Dan Brown (I'm assuming you're referring to the Davinci Code guy), you are no different than the next fanatical defender at all costs of their religion.

Talk about a conspiracy theory.

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GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

summary: .

Halcon

LongHairGal

Although I don't worship, I absolutely love the Catholic art aesthetic. Going to Rome and seeing the Vatican itself, all the little churches and basilicas spread throughout the city made me fall in love with it. Even before all these changes I always wondered what the big deal was with the cross. Jesus died and that's all that matters.

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God, one person, or three?

by slimboyfat in

the trinity doctrine says god is three persons in one being.. yet the bible says god is one.. gal 3.20 a mediator, however, implies more than one party; but god is one.

niv.

gal 3.20 now a mediator is not for just one person, but god is one.

Halcon

. The bottom line: the CONTENT of Catholic theology was not influenced by some kind of evil "philosophy", and you will not be able to attack it, based on the fact that the philosophical concepts used for the TERMINOLOGY for formulating the doctrines are also used

Are you truly sure about this?...

Plato lived between 420 and 340 BC... that's actually HUNDREDS of years before Christ was born, and the subsequent books by his apostles were written.

Further, someone like Augustine didn't come around til about another 300 years after Christ, and JUST after Plotinus expanded on Plato's philosophy.

But I don't "condemn" philosophy per se. I don't call it evil. It is amply accepted by historians and scholars that neoplatonism had an immense influence on Christianity and in fact PROPELLED it forward past the middle ages, whereas neoplatonism itself diminished in influence and recently has revived interest.

I simply point out the well established fact that these philosophers had a huge impact on the way the scriptures are interpreted when it comes to the Trinity doctrine. And that this influence is truly the source of so much of its confusion.

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GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

summary: .

Halcon

I also predict that the cross and crucifix will become a non issue. Cross, stake .... what does it matter?... And again there's nothing specific in the scriptures on it either aka there's no verse stating that it wasn't a cross specifically.

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God, one person, or three?

by slimboyfat in

the trinity doctrine says god is three persons in one being.. yet the bible says god is one.. gal 3.20 a mediator, however, implies more than one party; but god is one.

niv.

gal 3.20 now a mediator is not for just one person, but god is one.

Halcon

@aqwsed

from your sharing of the link I'm assuming you don't disagree with me? : )

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God, one person, or three?

by slimboyfat in

the trinity doctrine says god is three persons in one being.. yet the bible says god is one.. gal 3.20 a mediator, however, implies more than one party; but god is one.

niv.

gal 3.20 now a mediator is not for just one person, but god is one.

Halcon

This is a doctrine of faith. The Council of Florence solemnly declares: "In God, all is one

This is a doctrine of neoplatonism/platonism

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GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

summary: .

Halcon

I'm about the same age as you WC, this new org is completely and utterly removed from what it was in the 90s and 2000s.

I predict birthdays, mother's Day and Father's Day will be next. The blood thing is tricky bc there is explicit rules on it in the scriptures.

Really, anything that isn't explicit in the scriptures is now up for the guillotine.

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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

Halcon

A non material soul can experience torment without actually burning physically, because there is nothing physical to burn.

To be consistent we can say that a soul is tormented by the flames of hell while not actually physically burning in the flames.

The definition of tormenting is "inflicting severe physical or mental suffering"

We both agree it's not a physical burning of the body since there is no physical body to burn. That leaves us with a mental suffering. This fits in with your interpretation of the body separating from the soul at death. A mental tormenting is also a logical possibility for spirit beings such as demons.

You see a mental suffering of the soul as worse than a physical one. I see it as less severe, in fact I see it as a relief in comparison to everlasting physical pain from burning.

Hell as a state of eternal mental tormenting is still an unwanted state no doubt.

In fact it could be considered more so a self inflicting punishment than a physical burning hell, because you eliminate the factor of fear, thus underlining the factor of free will. In other words, if I'm not afraid of hell, I can't blame God for my choosing (with my actions) to be there to begin with.

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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

Halcon

I don't understand your point. Are you suggesting that a person's soul cannot feel pain after death?
Please explain your logic/point

Correct, in order to experience physical pain a sentient being must have a physical body. This is logical. It is the creation of the nervous system that allows for this. You must have one to feel different temperatures for example, or pleasure or pain.

God, Jesus, angels, demons are never described as getting physically old, arthritic, ill , dying of old age etc. Why? Because they are not human beings.

In fact, the scriptures very logically explain that in order for non-human beings to experience physical things they MUST first materialize into flesh and blood. The angels did it in order to experience sex with women. Clearly they couldn't have sex unless they were actual men. Jesus FIRST had to become a physical man before being able to spill his physical blood, not symbolic or spiritual blood.

This means that non-human beings are actually limited in what they can experience. Which means that God does not blur the line between a human being and a spirit being. You are either one or the other.

The scriptures tell us that a spirit being, a demon for example, can still feel abandoned by God. They can feel regret, hatred, jealousy, even lust...or an angel like Gabriel who can feel respect and love, admiration. These are emotions of the figurative heart. The scriptures clearly show however, that in order for them to feel pleasure or pain, they must FIRST become human.

Note also how God actually condemned the angels that materialized into men for sex. This emphasized God's distinction between spirit and human bodies and demonstrated specifically that the human body is no less legitimate.

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the toll of being PIMO

by enoughisenough in

for those of you who are pimo, how do you feel it may be effecting your mental and physical health?

is it easy to pretend to be what you are not?

how do you feel about falsely supporting the pimi which builds them up and therefore an org you don't believe in?

Halcon

What about the elder who was in an adulterous relationship with a person with whom he was "studying" and planning to confess to the elders and divorce his wife until the notice from the CO that he was chosen (by HS?) to deliver a keynote talk at the District Convention? He delayed his "confession" and divorce until after the convention as it was his opinion that HS had determined HE WAS THE BEST PERSON to deliver that talk. WTF

This made me laugh. Wonder what went thru the guy's mind while he was up in that stage.