Posts by Halcon

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Moving on in a new chapter

by redsetter2 in

moving on is the hardest thing anyone has to cope with.. i have officially left the org.

and now it feels my family have been waiting to do this for a long time, officially shunning me, even though they were practically doing this whilst i was still in.. it feels like i've accomplished a victory and at the same time i feel guilty i was tangled up in communication with someone who "hid who they were" claiming to leak information from bethel.

i got the call from the man who i thought i worked with.

Halcon

There still is a "10 year plan" idiot, it's just not as detailed as Redsetter1 made it to be.

So he blatantly lied. Let him know there's better ways to get attention.

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What's the Worst Advice You Heard of an Elder Giving Someone?

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

i believe an an elder told someone who's daughter (14 yo) became sexually active with a 26 year old in the neighborhood, that maybe they should get married.

so, they did... with parental consent.

he turned out to be a ex-convict who shot his first wife in the face with a shotgun.

Halcon

BethSarim- 5 plus decades believing the nonsensical garbage from New York.

Is this your actual experience Sarim? How recently did you leave JW and what was the final determining factor?

I'm 45 and I mentally detached around 2012. It wasn't so much the doctrines, which I had realized by then were going to just keep changing. It came down to, aside from a belief in God, I had nothing in common with the folks. I didn't want to be or live like them.

While I do have some fond memories of being part of JW in the early 90s, that version of JW no longer exists. And truthfully, those memories weren't exclusive to JW, there was a lot happening then outside that definitely influenced me years later.

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Why does it matter whether or not Armageddon is near?

by TxNVSue2023 in

why does it matter whether or not the end of the world ( (armageddon) is near?

if it was next week, next year, next decade, next century?

what is to be gained by knowing how close or far it is?

Halcon

TxNVS- Exactly everybody dies. So what difference does it make if they have money & a retirement or not?

From a practical standpoint, you'll be an incredible load to others if you have no money when you reach old age. Of course it would be nice if you died peacefully in your sleep while still healthy and fully functioning.

The problem is that you're going to get old and sick. You're going to need a lot of medical attention. Someone is going to have to eventually help you move around, go to the bathroom, feed you etc...all of this costs money. And if you believe that family will be more than willing to happily take care of all of your needs when you're ancient and sick when you yourself didn't care, that's taking a huge risk.

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Out of the Mouths of Vampires

by peacefulpete in

one of the most quoted and loved passages of the bible has an unexpected textual history.

at matt 21:16 jesus is made to say:.

have you never read, ‘from the mouths of infants and nursing babies you have prepared praise for yourself’?”.

Halcon

Pete- We are saying the same thing.

I don't think so Pete. From what I understood from Kaleb, the allusion to a vampire or demon in the Psalm was incorrect. Rather, the words chosen for it were words that happened to rhyme or phonetically complement it without attempting to insinuate anything beyond what it says.

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Out of the Mouths of Vampires

by peacefulpete in

one of the most quoted and loved passages of the bible has an unexpected textual history.

at matt 21:16 jesus is made to say:.

have you never read, ‘from the mouths of infants and nursing babies you have prepared praise for yourself’?”.

Halcon

Very interesting.

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So Let's Say Bigger Change Happens

by peacefulpete in

if a change in the blood policy happens, who will be more upset, jws or former jws?

i suspect the latter.

when the beard thing went down, jw's seem to immediately embrace it, whereas many former jw's have been brooding about it.. did it take away a pet gripe we had?.

Halcon

Pete-When the beard thing went down, JW's seem to immediately embrace it, whereas many former JW's have been brooding about it. Did it take away a pet gripe we had? Do we feel jealous of JWs living now? Does this change make you question if you made a mistake in leaving the church?

As someone who is technically still in, I see JW as being much closer to other religions now. I strongly feel that many members around me do also, especially after the one-two punch of no time keeping and beards.

I don't envy their present confusion, nor losing their sense of being "special" amongst other religions.

On a more personal level, my interests and lifestyle is far removed from the general mainstream anyways. There's nothing about the 'standard' JW lifestyle or any religion that makes me jealous now or presumably ever.

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How they could change blood doctrine

by Person in

many people say gb will soon dump blood doctrine to appear less fanatical.

others saying it is impossible for them to do that because of legal ramifications.

i think there is a way that could potentially be solution to those problems.

Halcon

Tonus -Their only recourse is to make it a conscience matter. They may not like that, because it will look like they are trying to weasel out of dealing with the issue directly.

Indeed. Combine this with focusing on the lifesaving aspects of blood transfusions and it's a possibility.

The new rule of being able to speak friendly with expelled people at the KH in my opinion was an even bigger deal, mentally, than the beards and pants thing as there was "technically" scriptures supporting the idea of completely shunning an expelled person, whereas there was nothing on the former.

These little mental blocks could very well be setting up the much bigger ones.

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Prediction: no more changes for a long while

by slimboyfat in

i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

Halcon

I attended the meeting this past weekend. I would say the KH was about 2/5th full. People still commenting via zoom. The whole no suits and beards thing incidentally made for a much less formal experience. Many scraggly looking guys : )

There seems to be a rather clear distinction in the energy between the older folks and the more nonchalant younger ones. But everyone had this peculiar look on their face of mild uncertainty.

It certainly feels very, very far removed from the old days (meaning the 90s for me). JW is definitely going through a great period of transition right now.

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Can God Change his Mind?

by peacefulpete in

is 31:yet he also is wise and will bring disaster and does not retract his words.. 1 sam 15: furthermore, the eternal one of israel does not lie or change his mind, for he is not man who changes his mind.. numbers 23: god is not a man who lies, or a son of man who changes his mind.

does he speak and not act, or promise and not fulfill?.

when the god you worship pronounces judgement, is he, really just issuing a warning or has the matter been determined through all the godly powers of insight, foresight and perfect judgement?

Halcon

God disappears for a time, and men's instincts derive an endless list of gods and devils, all of them wrong. Or perhaps not entirely wrong, as Pharaoh's sorcerers were able to call on their deities to duplicate some of the miracles that Moses performed.

Certainly not wrong, if we believe that an entire realm of spiritual beings exist.

And if we believe that God placed that instinct in man, we would believe that it was reliable for the simple fact that the belief still stands. And this is before one considers how God may have played a personal role in their life.

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Can God Change his Mind?

by peacefulpete in

is 31:yet he also is wise and will bring disaster and does not retract his words.. 1 sam 15: furthermore, the eternal one of israel does not lie or change his mind, for he is not man who changes his mind.. numbers 23: god is not a man who lies, or a son of man who changes his mind.

does he speak and not act, or promise and not fulfill?.

when the god you worship pronounces judgement, is he, really just issuing a warning or has the matter been determined through all the godly powers of insight, foresight and perfect judgement?

Halcon

All these examples demonstrate a tendency for the human mind to draw conclusions on inference, with incomplete evidence, reinforced through culture. None of these "conclusions" are "instinctive", they are demonstrations of all-to-common flawed decision making.

The conclusion occurred at the very beginning, before time and culture could reinforce it.

If the first human being who thought of it, without persuasion or influence of culture or concept, then what was it if not instinctive?

If the idea was not original for that first man, as you indicated, then it must have come from outside of man. A mind beyond man's?