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  How many Ends are there?

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when will the current preaching work end?

  (remember, i am reporting not supporting wts teaching).

  questions from readers august 2025 p. 31 (how many wts teaching have been clarified?

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  Halcon

  Perhaps in words for public consumption, but from what I have been told it is even more black and white that if one is not baptized as a JW, and then for all intents and purposes worships the governing body as if they were collectively god himself you are bound to be turned into "burnt hotdogs.

  This may be stated by JWs that don't truly pay attention to these changes for one reason or another. Or by hard-core JWs that won't accept that it's no longer required to be a JW to be saved.

  This religion has a complex task ahead. To change into a mainstream Christian religion from a doomsday end-times one. But they're laying the foundation with every little change made in last couple of years.
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  How many Ends are there?

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when will the current preaching work end?

  (remember, i am reporting not supporting wts teaching).

  questions from readers august 2025 p. 31 (how many wts teaching have been clarified?

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  Halcon

  After Jehovah “[executed] judgment on all the gods of Egypt,” his people were joined by “a vast mixed company” of non-Israelites. These foreigners may have turned to Jehovah when they saw Moses’ warnings about the Ten Plagues come true…

  This is a very significant thing JW is stating. First, it relieves them from having to keep looking out for the start of the 'great tribulation'.

  Second, it does away with the hard-line claim that you must be JW to be saved. In essence they've taken the same position as all other Christian religions.
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  The Preachilng finally stops..............As soon as Armageddon Starts.

  by liam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  watchtower august 2025: new teaching: the hailstone message intensifies during the great tribulation.

  preaching continues after babylon the great falls, up to armageddon.

  some may still respond.. larchington .

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  Halcon

  Very interesting. This 'new' understanding essentially nullifies the claim that you can only be saved if you are a JW.

  They use the account of the 10 plagues in Egypt to demonstrate how a pagan Egyptian (with no knowledge of even God's name) was saved by deciding to follow the Israelites at the exodus by virtue of the plagues alone.

  JW has apparently realized what all other Christian religions understood a very long time ago. "one faith" is not one religion.
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  A gospel of LOVE or a gospel of HATE?

  by JanH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  " (the watchtower, 10/1 1961, p. 596; bold added).

  " (the watchtower, 11/15 1952, p. 703; bold added).

  " (the watchtower, 10/1 1952, p. 599; bold added).

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  Halcon

  That phrase is lifted from a pseudonymously written epistle offering an excuse for the destruction of the world to not yet have happened as promised. It amounts to the very same thing as the WT overlapping generation drivel. The writer of 2 Peter wasn't renouncing the destruction of the world but by indefinitely delaying the promised destruction for the sake of a vaguely defined greater good rendered the original promise effectively meaningless.

  I believe slimboy was referring to what happens to the soul upon death. The end of our physical life, not the end of the world.
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  A gospel of LOVE or a gospel of HATE?

  by JanH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  " (the watchtower, 10/1 1961, p. 596; bold added).

  " (the watchtower, 11/15 1952, p. 703; bold added).

  " (the watchtower, 10/1 1952, p. 599; bold added).

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  Halcon

  Most all Christian faiths speak a good game about peace but harbor fantasies of hellfire or world destruction.

  It's not in human nature to desire suffering or destruction on others. Notice how non-believers question Godly punishment and how believers have difficulty with it too.

  But tribalism is indeed part of human nature and it clearly permeated into religion a long time ago.
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  What does the Catholic church think of JW?

  by Halcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.

  he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.

  is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?

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  vienne-TTWSYF, That's Catholic propaganda.

  On the surface it may seem that way. But if you can accept that Jesus transmitted a measure of responsibility to an imperfect human man in Peter and the apostles, then the entirety of that imperfect human aspect of Christianity must be studied.

  And it truly doesn't take long to see the extensive connections between those early Christians and what came to be identified as the catholic church.
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  What does the Catholic church think of JW?

  by Halcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.

  he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.

  is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?

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  Halcon

  WTS does NOT recognized baptisms of other religions.

  Yes, this is clear. It seems both JW and Catholic church don't recognize each other's baptism over interpretation of scripture. Ultimately both claim the spirit directs them to their each conclusion. Maybe they're just both valid. After all, neither invokes satan or belzebub in their baptism ritual.

  Why would anyone care what the Catholic church thinks about another religion?

  It does appear that the Catholic church holds more authority and weight on the basis of its history and tradition across millenia (than JW). It's difficult to ascertain and judge any Christian religion if it isn't against or in contrast to the earliest one.
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  What does the Catholic church think of JW?

  by Halcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.

  he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.

  is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?

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  Halcon

  Yes indeed, looks like we have a new Pope.

  Thank you Blondie for expanding on that subject of the baptism. Based on that last note you referenced, it does still appear to be that JW acknowledges at least 'the role' of the Holy Spirit.

  A quick and superficial Google search on the subject indicates that the catholic church seems to not recognize the JW baptism on the basis of the Trinity doctrine.
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  What does the Catholic church think of JW?

  by Halcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.

  he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.

  is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?

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  Halcon

  Matthew 28:19 does say this in the King James Version (and the RNWT) "Matthew 28:19 in the King James Version reads: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" RNWT: Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit.

  A JW by means of this verse could say that it is implied that a JW baptism is being performed in the name of all three. Does it teach something different tho?
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  Question for JW's: Is Jesus the Mediator of Your Prayers ?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  praying to god “through the son jesus” has nothing to do with christ as mediator.. do jw's even know what a mediator does?.

  i am in the insurance restoration construction business and have been in mediation many times when a policy holder sues an insurance company for not paying everything they believe is due them under the terms of their policy for property damage.. i am brought in as a technical expert.. in mediation, the plaintiff (policy holder) and the defendant (insurance company) are placed in separate rooms, they do not talk to each other.

  they are separated because the dispute has alienated the one from the other.

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  Halcon

  This agreement “for the forgiveness of sins” is rejected by 20 million people each year during the Watchtower Satanic version of the Lord’s supper.

  Im assuming this is when JWs refrain from consuming the bread and wine?