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  Answer from a JW friend about blood

  by uncle_onion in

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  this is what a jw friend sent to me.

  i had got him to read the latest letters on blood that were posted last week.i can t believe he read them.

  this is his reply (typos and all).

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  we regularly use albumin in intravenious feedings. We
  make a solution which. contains carbohydrates,
  fats,water and electrolytes,mitamins and albumin for
  protein.protein that is used for tissue repair and
  maintenance

  
  This poor fool. You say he is a pharmacist?

  Albumin is added to IV solutions to prevent disruption of the patient's osmotic balance. This is the primary purpose of the albumin protein.

  It is not present in IV solutions as a nutrient.

  The albumin protein is too large a structure to pass through the cell wall. In order for this to happen, albumin, or for that matter, any other protein must first be broken down into its component amino acids. This deconstruction normally takes place in the small intestine, not the blood stream.

  In cases of extreme malnutrition, around the point where the diameter of your knee is greater than any other part of your leg, your body will break down and consume its own blood proteins. This results in the characteristic distension of the abdomen and swelling of the joints that we have all seen in pictures of starving children. Even here though, albumin is given to replace what is lost, not to perpetuate this process.

  ….Excellent comments Hawk. As always, very informative.
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  What or who is the Faithful & Discreet Slave?

  by SexyTeen in

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  i know that most of you do not believe that the annointed remnant among jehovah's witnesses is the faithful & discreet slave.. so who is?

  jesus did say that this slave (individual or class?

  ) would be feeding his sheep, so who is doing the job?

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  Jesus did say that this slave (individual or class?) would be feeding his sheep, so who is doing the job?

  You're treating the passage as if it were a prophecy.

  It's not.

  Concerning the "feeding," Jesus said, "Happy is that slave IF his master on arriving finds him doing so."

  Jesus went on to list two possible outcomes for the slave and never said what the final outcome would be.

  Tom
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  Answer from a JW friend about blood

  by uncle_onion in

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  this is what a jw friend sent to me.

  i had got him to read the latest letters on blood that were posted last week.i can t believe he read them.

  this is his reply (typos and all).

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  I’ve broken up this poor individual’s reply and added some brief comments.

  Blood according to the
  best medical dictionaly is a fluid that circulates
  throught the heart ,arteries,veins and capillaries
  carring nourishment,electrolytes,hormones,vitamins,antibodies,heat,
  and oxygen to the tissues. and taking away waste
  matter and carbon dioxide. Human blood is composed of
  basophils,eosinophils,neurophils,monocytes,
  lymphocytes,platkets, red cells, (erythrocytes)
  It is a trasport system.

  As long as you ignore spelling, OK so far

  Many things are transported to tissue like antibodies….

  Antibodies are not, strictly speaking transported to tissue. They function as a plasma solute, that is to say within the plasma itself.

  ….which not every one has,

  Wrong. Not everyone has the same antibodies for the simple reason that not everyone has been exposed to the same diseases, but everyone most certainly has some antibodies.

  …albumin a protein which is used to make muscle tissue,

  More accurately, albumin regulates the passage of water through the capillaries, it binds toxins and heavy metals, it prevents red blood cells from clumping and it transports certain nutrients. Low levels of albumin causes a condition known as edema, where fluid seeps from the capillaries into the surrounding tissue, causing it to swell.

  ….immune globulins which not every one has.

  Wrong again, poor guy. He doesn’t seem to realize that immune globulins and antibodies are one and the same thing – or that everyone has them.

  I answere all the questions the brother asked up to
  about page 12.is the amount of blood components is how
  we deal judicially with some one --no. If they take
  one red cell, or any cell of blood that is a sin.

  Wrong again. It depends on how cellular components are taken. To cite one example, USDA standards for cow’s milk allow a somatic cell count of up to 750K/cm3. Goat’s milk can have an SCC of up to 1000K/cm3. Somatic cells are primarily nuetraphils, a type of white blood cell. When the amount of milk and other dairy products that one would consume even in a day is considered, it can be seen how meaningless the his quoted statement above really is as a single 8 oz. (250ml) cup of cow's milk can easily contain 50,000,000 white blood cells

  Another example involves organ and bone marrow transplants, which are currently a matter of conscience. Both are saturated with whole blood.

  taking something that is not really a blood component
  is a gray matter because according to blood experts is
  not really blood like albumin.

  The claim that albumin is not a blood component is not only ignorant, it is a patent denial of reality. Blood is a combination of both cellular and liquid components, as any college level introduction to human anatomy will tell you.

  Further, while it is true to say that albumin is not really blood, the same can be said with equal force concerning the prohibited components, red blood cells, white blood cells, plasma and platelets.

  in our pharmacy not the bloos bank because the blood bank says it is a
  drug not a blood component

  Wrong again. All pharmaceutical companies obtain plasma proteins, including antibodies from blood banks, which most certainly do consider them to be a component of blood.

  When blood id processed for any
  components such as platlets ,which we do not except or
  for even non blood proteins, such as antibodies….

  Here is a common format by which blood proteins are ordered, one of many available on the internet:

  http://www.ohsu.edu/cliniweb/D12/D12.776.124.html

  Notice that the list includes about everything, immune globulins, serum albumin, clotting factors, platelet growth factor, etc.

  To claim that any of these are not blood proteins simply shows that this individual does not have a clue.

  All the parts of the blood is used nothing is wasted…….
  so none of the gray matter components are blood NONE

  True, but the forbidden components are not “blood” either. “Blood” is the sum of its components both large and small.

  answer this what other religion respects and refuses
  to except blood ? tell me that.

  Hardly a badge of honor. Jehovah’s Witnesses show respect for blood at the expense of showing respect for life itself.

  I also had another story to tell you about the husband……..

  
  Completely irrelevant.
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  the haberdahser who cried wolf

  by Celia in

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  do you know the book : apocalypse wow !

  by james finn garner, published in 1997 ?.

  i love this kind of humor.... anyway, one of the chapter is titled : the haberdasher who cried wolf.

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  Garner reminds me a little of Richard Abanes. His writing style is pleasant, even humorous at times, but his accuracy on material details leaves a lot to be desired.

  Russell, for example died in the belief that the great war in Europe was the Armageddon of the scriptures. It was not Russell but Rutherford who "spiritualized" the prediction, claiming that "Christ had indeed defeated Satan and established his Kingdom – only he had done it in the outermost heavens, where we mortals couldn’t see it"

  Similarly, the millions campaign ran between the years 1918-1925, not 1914-1918 as Garner asserts. It was not until February 24 1918, at the Temple Auditorium in L.A. that the speech upon which the whole fiasco was based was even given, and the booklet “Millions Now Living Will Never Die” was not published until 1921. Both pointed forward to the year 1925 as the “the antitypical Jubilee, earth’s times of restitution.”

  Tom
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  New World Translation Examined

  by ThiChi in

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  i am in a reading mood!

  !has anyone read the role of theology and bias in bible translation: with a special look at the new world translation of jehovah's witnesses?.

  many claims have been made here regarding the reliability of the nwt.

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  Furuli is most definitely a Jehovah's Witness. He is a former district overseer and has served for a number of years as an HLC member.

  As Alan has observed, he is not terribly honest in his treatment of evidence antithetical to his JW beliefs. In other words, he's biased.

  I've also noticed that like many otherwise intelligent JW's, he is prone to invent whatever argument is expedient at the moment while ignoring the question of whether it is contradicted by other aspects of JW theology.

  Tom
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  Marry Christmas Jan-evolution goes down in flames

  by clash_city_rockers in

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  darwin on trial is the title of a book on evolution that has ruffled the feathers of the secular scientific community.

  though a christian, author philip johnson critiques evolutionary theory from a secular standpoint as he examines the philosophical games many scientists play to protect their evolutionary ideology.

  johnson, a law professor at the university of california at berkeley, attacks head-on the often-heard statement that evolution is both a fact and a theory, an evolutionary dogma that has been a major source of confusion for a long time.

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  clash_city_rockers,

  Have you read either Denton or Johnson?

  What do you think of Denton's quotation of Cuvier? Do you think he makes a valid point?

  Tom
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  The WT fake chimp (for those who missed it)

  by Mr Ben in

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  after a discussion in the live chatroom i realised some did not know of the watchtowers fake chimp.

  i first saw it as a link on janhs old site, but i can no longer find the url for the original, which i believe was from the norwegian agnostic society, or something like that.

  the next time a dub calls on you ask them why they are forced to believe that chimpanzees do not have canine teeth.

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  Now, you might say, “It’s a baby chimp! It’s canines haven’t grown yet!”

  Actually, the skull in the picture not only has too many molars for that, it also appears to have bicuspids behind the canines as well; both of which you would rule out a juvenile.

  To me though, the lack of brow ridges in the Creation book "Chimpanzee" illustration is even more striking than the abnormally small canines.

  Chimpanzees have very prominent brow ridges……
  
  

  …but as can be see from specimens such as the Taung child, the brow ridges are greatly reduced in some species of Australopithecus (e.g. africanus) making them much more "human" in appearance than the author of Creation would have you believe.

  As Ben observes though, all of this misses the greater point.
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  Hospital liaison for Jehovah Witness speaks out

  by rekless in

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  quoted from the las vegas sun and review journal ,.

  " many jehovah witnesses refuse blood transfusions because blood is viewed as scared and the bible mandates no transfusions, said al zaragoza, chairman of the hospital liaison committee for jehovah witness.

  "cell-saver is an extention of one's circulatory system," zaragoza said.

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  In view of the fact that transfusions of various types are given for a variety of reasons besides surgical blood loss, Zaragoza's mention of blood salvage apparatus is interesting.

  Although one can only speculate as to his motives, the portrayal of transfusion medicine in its entirety as simply the use of RBC's in scheduled surgery in affluent countries is a time tested and effective obfuscatory technique of the kind that WTB&TS spokesmen, attorneys, self appointed fidei defensors and all other liars delight in.
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  An added point for "THIS GENERATION"

  by Bill Parker in

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  this generation.

  i was born in the year 1932!

  if someone were to ask me: are you part of the generation of 1914?

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  In the context of the original discussion, Jesus' use of the "near" demonstrative pronoun aute (this) would clearly indicate that the "generation" was something tangible at the time his disciples framed their question. This would have been well before any of various facets of "the sign" were manifest, and not at some future date when "the sign" in its entirety was visible.

  Personally, I think the whole idea of "types" and "antitypes," "primary fulfillments" and "secondary fulfillments" is a bit of a stretch to begin with, and borders on the ridiculous when the expositor is free to deviate from the prior pattern and rearrange things to suit his or her eschatological views.
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  TRY THIS SCENARIO FOR "THIS GENERATION"

  by Bill Parker in

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  try this scenario for this generation!.

  didnt jesus say when you see these signs, `all taken together, coming to pass, you may know `of a surety that he is near, at the very doors.

  truly i tell you, this generation {the whole multitude of people living at the same time, in a definite, given period} will not pass away till all these things taken together take place {matthew 24: 33, 34} in verse 32 jesus gives an illustration to show us how to view the signs he has given us.

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  Bill,

  The terms Jesus used at Matthew 24:34 could conceivably have meant a number of different things and I don’t mean to suggest that what you have written here is necessarily right or wrong. I think the pitfall, if there is one, lies in deviating too far from what simple rules of grammar and logic dictate that Jesus’ statement meant in the context of the disciple’s interrogatory.

  ....but don't let a skeptic like me spoil your fun.

  Take care,

  Tom