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  Has there been any "New Light" on the Blood Issue?

  by Mastodon in

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  someone asked me if i knew anything about that.

  oblviuosly i don't, so i'm reaching to all of you in this enlightened crowd to shed some light on this for me.

  thanks!

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  Rootcause,
  

  You've taken statements made in a very specific and limited context and attempted to apply them in an open context. The Deuteronic instruction regarding the butchering of wild animals for food was not a general discussion about blood.

  This can easily be seen just by asking yourself the simple question, --What was the blood poured out from?

  Deuteronomy 12:15,16:

  "Only whenever your soul craves it you may slaughter, and you must eat meat according to the blessing of Jehovah your God that he has given you, inside all your gates. The unclean one and the clean one may eat it, like the gazelle and like the stag. 16 Only the blood YOU must not eat. On the earth you should pour it out as water.

  Deuteronomy 15:22,23:

  "Inside your gates you should eat it, the unclean one and the clean one together, like the gazelle and like the stag. 23 Only its blood you must not eat. Upon the earth you should pour it out as water.

  Wild animals like the gazelle and the stag do not let you get very close to them. You certainly can't walk up to them and slit their throats in the kosher manner. Consequently, bleeding the carcass was a separate and distinct step from killing the animal because methods for putting an animal to death from a distance (e.g. An arrow or spear) do not sufficiently bleed the carcass.

  The blood was poured out of the animal carcass itself. The specific nature of this requirement is makes it inapplicable outside of the context of butchering an animal for food. It has nothing to do with medicine.
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  Has there been any "New Light" on the Blood Issue?

  by Mastodon in

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  2. medical

  someone asked me if i knew anything about that.

  oblviuosly i don't, so i'm reaching to all of you in this enlightened crowd to shed some light on this for me.

  thanks!

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  Rootcause, your comments are laced with unproven and unprovable JWisms
  
  

  The Bible never speaks of blood in an open context. Without exception, OT Biblical prohibitions concerning blood occur within the situationally specific context of eating the blood of a slaughtered animal.

  In Acts 15 and 21, the partial predicate, "to be abstaining....from blood" apechesthai...tou hematos is incomplete and cannot legitimately be invoked as an independent construction as you have done in your conversation with Jgnat.

  In English, "Abstain" is intransitive and cannot take a direct object. In Greek, apechesthai as the infinitive form of the present, middle indicative, apechomai and similarly does not express a complete thought.

  An easy way to look at this is by trying to express what ever you think "abstain from blood" means as a simple finite negative.

  "Do not _______ blood"

  Worded this way, it becomes obvious that there is a verb implicit in the context that is not being expressed.

  So do not pretend that the Bible explicitly condemns transfusion. It most certainly does not. The most you can do is argue that transfusion is equivalent in some way (e.g. Physically or morally) to eating blood.
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  Mormons/LDS

  by Evanescence in

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  what would your views be on mormons?.

  was there much incidences where jw's and mormons would ever catch eachother while going door-to-door?.

  just curious cause both of you do it and wondered if there was ever any conflict between the two..... evanescence

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  I think this might be a site in the same vein:

  http://www.the-book-of-mormon.com/photos-page3.html
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  Mormons/LDS

  by Evanescence in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what would your views be on mormons?.

  was there much incidences where jw's and mormons would ever catch eachother while going door-to-door?.

  just curious cause both of you do it and wondered if there was ever any conflict between the two..... evanescence

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  Hi TD - did you see my earlier post with all the pictures (you need IE for some reason?)

  I can't... The pictures are on your local C drive (C:\Documents and Settings\Dave\Desktop\New Folder) which is not accessible from "the other side" of the internet. Pictures have to be hosted on a server with a public IP
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  Mormons/LDS

  by Evanescence in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what would your views be on mormons?.

  was there much incidences where jw's and mormons would ever catch eachother while going door-to-door?.

  just curious cause both of you do it and wondered if there was ever any conflict between the two..... evanescence

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  Hi Qcmbr,

  Forget the art used to illustrate the BOM , it's just guesswork and certainly not a statement of how it really was.

  You're right, these are certainly not photographs, they are only artist's conceptions. That's why I pointed out that this particular scene (Abinadi amid the splendor (Mosiah 11:8) of King Noah) has been, "...variously rendered by Mormon artists."

  That doesn't remove the problem because these pictures are simply illustrative of things that are in the text of the BOM itself.

  The BOM describes cultures that employed gold and silver as jewelry, ornamentation and a medium of exchange:(Jacob 1:16; 2:12; Jarom 1:8; Mosiah 2:12; 4:19; 8:9; 11:3, 8, 9, 11; 19:15; 22:12; 28:11; Alma 1:29; 4:6; 11:3, 4 ,5, 7, 8, 9, 10; 15:16; 17:14; 31:24; Helaman 6:9, 11, 31; 7:21; 3 Ne 6:2; 24:3)

  It describes copper alloy (e.g. bronze and brass) armor (Mosiah 8:10) like the two soldiers are wearing in the picture. It describes iron and even steel(!) and all manner of metallic tools and weapons.(2 Ne 5:15; Jarom 1:8)

  Pictures or no pictures, the BOM describes the production of an abundance of durable objects. Gold for example is sometimes poetically called, "The eternal metal" because once it's been mined, smelted and refined, it never returns to its natural state.

  There's an exhibition currently touring America entitled, "Treasures From the Royal Tombs of Ur." I think it's somewhere in the midwest right now. This exhibition features hundreds of perfectly preserved gold and gold alloy (e.g. electrum) artifacts that were already ancient at the time of Christ. (This collection is 4500 years old.) Another one toured a few years ago entitled "Treasures of Ancient Egypt" Same story --- Hundreds and hundreds of artifacts that were already over a thousand years old at the time of Christ.

  Regardless of what one believes about the Bible, there can be little doubt about the existence of the ancient Sumerians and Egyptians. Leaving things behind is a trademark of human beings and the more advanced a culture becomes, the more it leaves behind.
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  Charles Russell, Alleged Child Abuser

  by Farkel in

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  in the thread about whether charles russell was gay or not, a topic was brought up that i believe deserves a new thread.

  as card-carrying apostates we all need to be careful about our information.

  even one mistake, whether intentional or not, gives dubs the chance to jump up and say, "see those apostates lied about that thing.

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  Wow.... Bravo Leolaia!
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  Are you a TOWER-HEAD?

  by professor in

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  is being an ex-dub one of your hobbies?

  you know, like remote controlled cars or ham radio?

  i mean, come on, your brain is just filled with all of this useless knowledge... you've got to do something with it!

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  I love it....

  Some of us are Tower Heads by birth, others by choice and still others by marriage.
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  Mormons/LDS

  by Evanescence in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what would your views be on mormons?.

  was there much incidences where jw's and mormons would ever catch eachother while going door-to-door?.

  just curious cause both of you do it and wondered if there was ever any conflict between the two..... evanescence

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  One of the most amazing things to me about the BOM (No offense to anyone) is the idea of a widespread culture that produced durable objects vanishing without a trace. It doesn't matter if you are atheist; with the Bible you are at least dealing with real places that you can go and see today and real cultures whose artifacts endure.

  The Mount of Olives, the pool of Siloam and Hezekiah's tunnel, the Wailing Wall -- these are all things you can see today. Pottery, tilework, ceramics, gold jewelry and bronze-age armor, tablets and steles, masonry structures --- we have these from all the major civilizations mentioned in the Bible. We have so many of these things in fact that you could spend the rest of your life examining these antiquities and still not see them all.

  The problem we have today, of not knowing what to do with our "things" once we've made them is nothing new. This is because some things are durable. They don't rust, they don't disolve, they don't burn, they don't dry up and blow away. Not only do they not vanish naturally, some of them, once created cannot be eradicated without a trace even intentionally. For example, once the molecular structure of clay has been altered in a kiln, how do you get rid if the resulatant ceramic? Ceramic is waterproof, impervious to most chemicals and it will survive any temperature you can devise. It can be broken, true but all you get are smaller pieces of ceramic. If you break those you get still smaller pieces, ad infinitum

  The BOM describes cultures similar to those that inhabited ancient Mesopotamia:

  Abinadi standing before King Noah has been variously rendered by Mormon artists. I've never seen one that is not full of durable objects. Copper alloy armor, gold jewelry, masonry, ceramic tiles, you name it. Personally, I don't see any reason to believe that such a civilization ever existed.
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  THE OLD Septuagint LXX

  by RevFrank in

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  a few days ago i was just grazing through a copy of mine the, septuagint lxx and i ran into an interesting section.

  psalm 83:18...there is no such verse.

  if anything the verses stop at verse 15. it seems that this verse, along with 1john 5:7, went the same way.. and the witnesses are always showing us in christiadim that jehovah is in verse 18...yet no verse is found.. how was a verse which was never in the septuagint found its way into the bible?

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  For some reason, mine calls it out as the 17th verse of Ps 82 (?)
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  ITS FRIDAY....................................

  by defd in

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  yabba dabba doooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  whats everyones plans.

  i am going to relax relax realx.. wife is out of town, so i might go to the bar( just joking) watch alittle football on sunday.

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  Whats everyones plans

  Work on Saturday Run in the Susan Komen event Sunday morning. Not sure about Sunday afternoon.