Posts by TD

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Guns...Are You For or Against Legally Owning Them?

by minimus in

jw
friends

there is a surge going on of people buying guns, especially first time buyers.

with talk of police defunding and rioting in the neighborhoods, some people want to protect themselves.. do you support owning and using a gun if needed?.

TD

here in the UK the vast majority of people have no wish--or the means--to blow holes in each other.

The U.S. and the U.K. are an interesting comparison in extremes

We take the right of self protection to one extreme

You take it to the other

It's true that your gun violence is infinitesimal compared to ours and for that you can be proud

It's also equally true that a 50kg woman in the U.K. cannot even carry a pinky-size pepper spray aerosol on her key chain and other than crying out for help has no realistic defense against a 115kg male assailant.

You have taken the right of self protection away from those who need it the most and this is reflected in your crime stats even after they have been adjusted for our respective methods or reporting sexual assault...

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Guns...Are You For or Against Legally Owning Them?

by minimus in

jw
friends

there is a surge going on of people buying guns, especially first time buyers.

with talk of police defunding and rioting in the neighborhoods, some people want to protect themselves.. do you support owning and using a gun if needed?.

TD

Yes. Self protection is a fundamental right

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Just wanting confirmation on an unofficial JW experience

by joe134cd in

just wondering if anyone can confirm or deny this unofficial jw experience that my father received by email.

i’ve told him that it against wt rules to forward unofficial accounts.

but of course he just puts that down to apostate driven lies.

TD

Yes. And the JW's inspired John Lennon's song, Imagine

And "The NWT" was the correct answer to a Jeopardy question about the most accurate translation.

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Quit Quietly now more than ever

by gone for good in

the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

TD

Phizzy,

In all but a tiny handful of exceptions, truth is an absolute defense against defamation here in the U.S.

Perhaps that's not the case in the U.K.? (I honestly don't know)

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Quit Quietly now more than ever

by gone for good in

the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

TD

Phizzy,

This is the danger, but the "Letter" prevents them from taking the Action of Announcing you as "No longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses"....

How would this work in the U.K.?

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Quit Quietly now more than ever

by gone for good in

the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

TD

gone for good

I have no idea what a UBM might be

Sorry,

UBM = UnBelieving Mate. It was a very common term here on JWN, because there were a lot of us participating, at least at one time. Like JW, xJW, NWT, PIMO etc., it didn't usually need an explanation

I'm not abysmally stupid (Egentlich spreche ich drei Sprachen und lese zwei weitere...) but am not as up on JW things as those of you who have lived it and consequently sometimes miss something obvious.

Long story short, I paid an attorney a boat-load of money to research this subject when my wife was starting to fade and the prognosis was pretty dismal. There is virtually no legal recourse here in the U.S. for JW's who want to exit the faith unscathed. (I would be happy to elaborate if you want...)

If the Zurich decision has repercussions for JW's in Switzerland, that would be great. If it also extends into Germany and Austria because of the strong bilateral relationships between the three, that would be even better.

But I'm not grasping the connection to the English speaking world, especially here in the U.S. with our strong sentiment of caveat emptor. (And would add that the current political climate is driving us even farther in that direction.)

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Quit Quietly now more than ever

by gone for good in

the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

TD

I don't pretend to know how it works in the UK.

Here in the US, disassociation is not an exercise of ecclesiastical authority.

It is a voluntary action initiated by the congregant and the function of the Elders is only to confirm that the individual really meant it.

Unless things have changed (?) I'm not sure how the letter you guys are taking about would not be construed as a formal disassociation in and of itself.

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Quit Quietly now more than ever

by gone for good in

the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

TD

The amazing exoneration of Info Sekta in Swiss Court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.

???

Are you talking about the defamation case brought against psychologist and cult expert Regina R Spiess?

Explain it for a slow UBM. How does this affect leaving the JW's?

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Did you ever know a JW who was political?

by wolverines in

one black sister would always slam the jews when there was anything on the radio or tv about the palestinian's.

i knew others who had other ideas that were strange and not neutral as we were told to be.

the black sister would dress like she was from africa in a dashiki robe from time to time.

TD

Every JW I've ever known held political views. How could they not? Politics touches on social and moral issues.

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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)

by BluesBrother in

it is a challenge next sunday for them .

due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).

this article makes a grand claim in par 2.

TD

I guess there is a linearity to it and a point where JW's believe the time frame jumps forward.

Okay. So although not a type, horses and war chariots are still morphing into tanks and fighter jets through the lens of interpretation, so it's every bit as absurd ..