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  1-877-WTABUSE

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am happy to announce the operation of a new hotline for victims of molestation.

  we feel this will help in giving a greater voice to those who have been silent so long.

  in addition, if you have additional information to add to the story of the "pedophile paradise" that exists within the wt organization we will be happy to make it known to the world.

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  teejay

  hello, Bill,

  can't wait for the brochure. there's a Kinkos right around the corner...
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  rutherford

  by jurs in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ever since i started questioning wether the truth is really the truth.

  i'm apalled at how much information is out there that just shatters the organization.

  one intersesting site out of many is jesus-witnesses.com (the seven points of watchtower indoctrination) anyhow i never knew that rutherford smoked cigars and was a notorious alcoholic.

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  Farkmeister,

  I cannot comment on Russell's marital travails. As a response to what
  you've mentioned here, I wonder what type of person she was as a
  wife. Even if I had a consensus of people who knew her well (or thought
  they did), it would be impossible to know what type of person she was once
  the doors closed. Like the comedian Chris Rock said about O.J.: "I'm not
  saying that what he did was right, but I understand."

  >>Money and profit for his printing corporation were a big concern of
  >>Russell, and he wouldn't make a move unless he thought it was
  >>profitable. He owned and/or controlled a number of corporations that
  >>the R&F Bible Students were not informed about.

  Again, I don't see the evil in his concern about this. His corporation was
  meant to be self-sufficient, I thought, and making astute financial moves is
  only part of the corporate game. I may be wrong, but I've never read
  anything that indicated that Russell's primary concern was money. As far as
  I could tell, he seemed to really "believe."

  Btw, would your anonymous researcher be none other than Penton? Just
  curious. Apocalypse Delayed was excellent. I couldn't put it down.

  peace
  tj
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  troubled [in need of answers]

  by zev in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today, i had a long, long talk with my employer.

  this person is some one who can seperate work and personal things, so after feeling like i needed to talk to someone, and soon, before i crack up, i went to her and dropped the bomb.

  she is not a witness, and because i cannot talk to a witness about what i have learned, for fear of the df'ing thingy, i feel safe in talking to her.

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  zev,

  Sorry, but I'm just reading this.

  You said at one point that you are straightforward and when you DO reveal
  what's on your mind, you don't fool around. I won't either.

  For the sake of time, the short version:

  I was raised a Witness. I also come from a divorced mother and father.
  When I was a little bitty boy, those two things caused me to make myself a
  promise i vowed to keep, that once I got married, it would be for life, come
  hell or high water. Period. No matter what, I'm stayin' married.

  My first marriage lasted 13 years. It probably doesn't matter, but her father
  was a man held in high esteem, a domineering man (who doesn't speak to
  her now) who was also an elder for many years, and her mother was a regular
  pioneer, as revered by the membership as her husband. The poor girl (and
  her three sisters) didn't have a chance, and I don't mean that facetiously.

  The marriage was never good. My first wife and I were never friends.
  Never saw eye-to-eye on anything. We were never man and wife. I knew it
  but because of those two factors that shaped who I was I always held out a
  hope for change. Well, change never came. I reneged on a promise I had
  made to myself lo those many years ago. My heart has yet to heal, but life
  goes on.

  Zev, my friend, by your own words you haven't had a marriage for four
  years, maybe longer. I don't know how old you are, but life is short. You
  may not realize how short, but there's not enough time to go around hiding
  our true feelings from our friends and loved ones -- we do that enough with
  work mates and casual acquaintances -- and certainly you should not be
  forced to conceal who you are from your wife. Without reservation, her
  love for you should be unconditional. Not that she doesn't/can't have her
  own mind on matters, but as long as your views cause her no injury, she
  should learn her husband and accept you just as you are. Period. Many,
  many women would be willing to do this.

  Based on what you say, she is unwilling. She is unwilling to live up to her
  words spoken in front of onlookers (not to mention her god) on your
  wedding day. Her loyalties and true love lie elsewhere. There's nothing
  wrong with that. She has her life to live and she has every right to live it. As
  far as I can figure, based on what I know of your situation, you have but one
  choice, and I think you know what it is. It's the same painful but inexorable
  choice I made. Like I said, life is too short to f**k around with people who
  aren't down for you.

  My address is [email protected]. My mailbox is open to you. I'll give
  you my phone # if you wish and we can chat. Whatever.

  peace, dude,
  toddski
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  "If they don't want to be with you during the bad times,
  you don't need them for the good times."
  ----- unknown, but apropos.
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  for unclebruce (and whoever else might help)

  by teejay in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yo, unc (and whoever else might be eavesdropping and can help),.

  since you never answer your emails, i have to reach you this way... :-p. in the past, you've made some rather provocative comments about.

  biblical figures (abraham, moses, etc.

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  teejay

  yo, unc (and whoever else might be eavesdropping and can help),

  since you never answer your emails, i have to reach you this way... :-P

  in the past, you've made some rather provocative comments about
  biblical figures (Abraham, Moses, etc.) and the life and times of one Jesus
  of Nazareth.

  if you can, would you please recommend three books that you feel would
  help someone (me) lets say ... widen their perspective. i sure would
  appreciate it.

  your nephew,
  tj
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  rutherford

  by jurs in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ever since i started questioning wether the truth is really the truth.

  i'm apalled at how much information is out there that just shatters the organization.

  one intersesting site out of many is jesus-witnesses.com (the seven points of watchtower indoctrination) anyhow i never knew that rutherford smoked cigars and was a notorious alcoholic.

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  XJWBill,

  Years ago, when I was researching the history of my religion, I eventually
  came to the basic realization you did about the founding father(s) of the
  WB&TS. I think it's a conclusion any honest person would be forced to reach
  after a serious investigation of the facts. I can forgive Russell. I believe he
  was very sincere in his beliefs and, despite his flaws, was basically a good
  person.

  On the other hand, Rutherford, with his legal expertise, seized on the
  opportunity to head an organization of sheep and vilified those that Russell
  had handpicked to succeed him. I seriously doubt that he believed very much
  of the bullshit he proffered only in that it would be a means to an end, the
  end being a more fabulous life for himself. I doubt that he believed in God
  at all.

  You have to hand it to him -- he ended up with an entire floor at Bethel, two
  chauffeured caddies, a mansion in sunny southern California, and the freedom
  to travel to anywhere he wanted (to "encourage the brethren", of course) all
  during one of the bleakest economic periods in America's history. Not only that,
  seventy years later millions of people (loyal JWs) still defend him tooth and nail.
  Reminds me of neo-Nazis who still worship Hitler. Sad. No… not sad -- pathetic.

  He got away with a major scam and put in place a religion that has been
  brutalizing humble people ever since. As you already know, much of the
  theology and practices of the JW religion today (turning in time, the
  selection of men in the congregation, the management structure in Brooklyn,
  disfellowshipping - as you mentioned, etc., etc., etc.) owes its genesis to
  Rutherford. Not only that, but the methods of management remain, as people
  of truth and decency (ala Ed Dunlap, Ray Franz and many others) are often
  horribly mistreated for their stand against error and for truth. If there was a
  Jehovah like the one I learned about when I was a kid I think Rutherford
  would have hell to pay -- or is paying already. As it is, he found his niche and
  lived his life. It's my goal to do the same.

  peace,
  tj

  p.s. thanks for the insights in the email -- it gave me food for thought. btw,
  you're older than you look!
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  rutherford

  by jurs in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ever since i started questioning wether the truth is really the truth.

  i'm apalled at how much information is out there that just shatters the organization.

  one intersesting site out of many is jesus-witnesses.com (the seven points of watchtower indoctrination) anyhow i never knew that rutherford smoked cigars and was a notorious alcoholic.

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  Ginny,

  sad, but funny. made me laugh out loud. reminds me of an essay i wrote once.

  now, where did i put that thing....

  tj
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  Got My Grades From College!

  by Lindy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am so proud.

  just got my grade today in the mail.

  not bad for an old lady who hasn't looked in a school book for a very long time!

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  Chris,

  >>I wish I would have started a long time ago. I used to be afraid
  >>to write and now I love it. I got A's in both English Composition 101
  >>and 102. Before I didn't think I be able to get a C. I plan to work on
  >>a masters degree after I finish my BA.

  we've had similar journeys, it seems. i'm at the point where i'm getting
  over my disappointment with myself for having waited so long go to college
  (i'm 43), but i love it and wish i would've gone back a lot sooner. like you,
  i loved English -- hated it in school -- and now believe that any subject
  can be interesting if the instructor has a fire within.

  i don't think i have time for a Masters, though. i started back last summer,
  got my grades today, and found that i have 15 credits accumlated. with a
  little one at home (i see parks, concerts, soccer games in my future) and
  working full time, i'm schooling as much as i can, but even a basic degree
  is years away. but i love school, and i believe i appreciate it now more than
  i would have if i'd have gone sooner. naaah, probably not. i always did
  like school.

  anyway, you wrote a nice note. very encouraging to me. thanks Simon, for
  this board. wind in my sails. wind in my sails.

  peace,
  todd
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  Best Bumper Stickers I've seen.....

  by LDH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jesus, save me from your followers!.

  i do work for food!

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  teejay

  Fight for Peace
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  Got My Grades From College!

  by Lindy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am so proud.

  just got my grade today in the mail.

  not bad for an old lady who hasn't looked in a school book for a very long time!

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  teejay

  congratulations, Lindy.

  that's good to hear. i am encouraged to know that others are
  going to school even though they are older and have families.
  i know i waited longer than i should have to go back and getting
  a degree is years away, but i like the atmosphere and learning
  new things and ways of looking at the world is inspirational.

  keep up the good work!

  peace,
  todd ~ a student.
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  What is an apostate?

  by esther in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the meaning of 'apostasy' given in my dictionary is "abandonment of religious faith, vows, principles or party".

  i used to think that only cults considered leaving their religion to be apostasy, but according to my dictionary, as quoted above,everyone who changes their religion is technically an apostate.

  so were those of us who changed from other religions to become jws apostates then?

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  teejay

  Dave, Dave, Dave!!

  >>I am a free thinking human being that
  >>happened to spend my youth in a cult.

  talk about putting things in a nutshell.... Man!
  you didn't waste a single second warming up or getting
  settled in. damn, i like that! go, dude, GO!

  peace,
  todd