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  When Virgins Collide.

  by Englishman in

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  back in the 60's virginity was in.

  the wt magazine even went so far as to refer to single non-virgin women as being "like a towel that anyone can wipe their hands on" and featured a pic of an ashamed looking women with a dirty towel behind her.

  how could a man contemplate marrying such a woman?.

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  Teirce

  Er, why do I get the feeling that an (older) woman's virginity might indicate the presense of some emotional baggage that will take some dealing with? Enforced virginity is about as close to robbing the cradle as you can get. Not saying we should return to the happy times where girls were married off at 12. But, the only thing virginity is advantaging the owner in, after becoming an adult, is freedom from desease, which can be guarded against by many other means (particularly monogamy or being selective). If a father of a house desires that he not have to deal with the consequences of a pregnant daughter (or fathering son), yeah, I can get behind that. But if she gets out and supports herself, there's zero reason for virginity, unless one has a classical "Vestal Virgin" kind of happy, ideal asthetic, which is just dandy.

  I think one of the indirect advantages (and who knows, the Society may have actually designed for this) is that the horny, non-comprehensive marriages of young persons, combined with the sanction against divorce, resulted in unhappy, unfulfilling unions that actually produced more stress that could be harnessed and redirected into the preaching work. Imagine, You marry someone you feel is a hot potato, yet they turn out to want quite different things, have quite different habits, have different levels of morals and conscience, and it drives you stark raving mad. Since you can't relate to your spouse on a.. philosophical, personal level (that has nothing to do with the Society), and you aren't permitted to associate with non-witnesses, that leaves either hanging with Witness buddies, or just getting out in service more to get association with other Witnesses. Therefore, it didn't just pay off to make people sexually frustrated, but also emotionally frustrated by being blinded by the sex, first.

  For myself, I was married for a year, and it taught me (what I feel) was 20 years worth of lesson. Now I have what I want to call a wonderful relationship, but That is based on the fact that it Isn't set in stone, because both people are not locked in stone, but instead believe in the Principle of staying together, rather that the Law of doing so. (sorry for the soapboxy capitol letters..)
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  Martial arts as a metaphor for verbal conflicts

  by Introspection in

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  let me know what you guys think of this.. if there isn't much response maybe i'll type a little less, don't want to be boring everyone if it's not of interest.... well, i was thinking about how arguments happen online on this board and elsewhere, and it occurred to me it has some things in common with some basic martial arts principles.. first of all, something very basic that nobody seems to think about is that you need to see what your opponent is doing.

  it seems that often people get upset and are more likely to be focused on that feeling, rather than how they will respond to the other person's argument or actions.

  (of course, a calm and collected fight probably doesn't make a good movie) in verbal arguments, this can take various forms.

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  Nice. I looked up some links that might apply to the subject.

  http://deermoss.dhs.org/~nuthouse/eac/eac-logic.html - logical fallacies
  http://www.mtsu.edu/~jaeller/logic.html - other logical fallacies
  http://ksr.facade.com/essays/04b-art.html - martial arts and personal/individual observation (not groupthink)
  http://home.stny.rr.com/iama/elements.html - 5 martial elements (are also used in conversation)

  One thing about martial arts is that it doesn't appeal to mercy, just as science doesn't, although it does use elements of understanding one's own intrinsic advantages. Therefore, JWs, or other cult groups, lack both the benefit of using hard, merciless science And personal perspective.
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  WTC Eight Black Boxes Dedtroyed

  by Satanus in

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  " [ntsb web site] .

  " [ntsb web site] .

  "both the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder have proven to be valuable tools in the accident investigation process.

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  www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743201299/qid=1001250309/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_3_1/002-7508759-7222406

  Online arguments/reviews regarding "Day of Deceit", the book suggesting an FDR conspiracy with the Pearl Harbor bombing.
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  Victims of Groupthink

  by larc in

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  groupthink,.

  before i begin, i want to acknowledge two people who drew out the implications of the findings of social psychology in understanding the dynamics of the culture of the jehovah's witnesses.

  jang offered some exellent information on this subject.

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  Good stuff. What is the current light on oral sex? I knew it was banned at one point and then I heard it was a conscience matter between married couples. At any rate, I knew that elders did it and nothing was mentioned. (Some of our elders had wandering eyes, which was always fun.)
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  Sept. KM: WT Sanctifies Fiscal Irresponsibility

  by Room 215 in

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  ``because the world scene is always changing, a family head may be inclined to spend an excessive amount of time on the job, with a view to building up his financial reserves for unforeseen crises.''.

  do they seriously endorse living from paycheck to paycheck as spiritually meritorious, a responsible mode of living for heads of families with mortgage/rent payments, child support, health insurance, car payments, utility bills, a food budget, etc.

  all this after they ``stack the deck'' against self-sufficiency and independence for the average jw famnily head by discouraging university education or other forms of specialized education so vital in today's complex economy.. that's why so many, even while professing loyalty and submission to the fds quietly come to terms on their own.

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  Is there anywhere on the Society's own website that has any financial/earnings information, or is that all closed-door? If there was something Society-based, I'd be comfortable bothering to tell my father (elder) to look at it.. Or, is there any specific challenging questions that you can challenge a Witness to ask an overseer? Like, would it do any good to challenge a Witness/Elder to ask about Rand Corp, or to ask their CO "Who is Rand Corp and What kind of devices do thry make?" I wouldn't insult myself trying to help dad unless there was something incontrovertable using proximitous Society-sponsored data.
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  Afghan Women under Taliban

  by Tina in

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  for those who might be interested in the plight, public murder,bride-price, of women who live under talibans terroriistic fundamentalism........ warning!

  graphic photos.. http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/women.html.

  carl sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones.

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  Those policies alone are enough to merit military action, as UN wrist slaps won't ever do a thing. I was reflecting to the gf that the way Afghani women are immolating themselves before they get raped, shot, tortured, etc, they're *Already* being carpet bombed in terrible ways, a little at a time. Ths continued objectification of women is what grants the pubescent disenfranchised boys the certainty that heaven IS composed of 72 chicks for every martyr. If they had any fucking physics whatsoever, instead of 24x7 Koran channel, they'd see that such a promise is for one purpose only, making them into living smartbombs. De-objectify the females, and that's one support out from under the menu of incentives that these bombers/kamikazes have.

  Regardless, this stuff makes me pissed when I hear some peacenix insisting that these people can be reasoned with. America didn't MacDonald and Coke the TowelBuns into shooting their own women.

  Where's the hand-grenades....
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  bump in the night

  by finnrot in

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  as i read this board i notice that there are a lot of people that like myself don't believe in god anymore, and when i run accross a post where someone is professing their belief in god, that i have nothing but utter distain for them, almost like they don't belong here.

  for a newbie that's kind of a ridiculous position i guess.

  as i was growing it was constantly shoved down my throat that every other belief system was contlolled by the devil and run by his little demons, so after 1975 came and went and i realized that the one true religion was full of crap also, that left me with only reality to grasp, and that's, you live you die and the the worms eat you.

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  Dude, read some Socrates and Plato. That's Real spirituality, and what you're knowing and recognizing as "religion" couldn't shine a f'n candle to it. It's no wonder Paul kept blasting 'wisdom of men'; it was dangerous to his powerbase and he was one to know (he rips off Plato something fierce). And there's no chance in hell the Society would let anyone read that stuff, let alone quote from it. Save your vitriol for Religion; spirituality has been doing just well, thanks, for thousands of years.
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  Questions="dishonest baiting"?

  by Julie in

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  three little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.

  i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.

  here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.

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  Old news, Tdogg. Skeptics (people that use science exclusively) have been deconstructing miracles and acts of god for centuries. But welcome to the club, it's liberating and fearless.

  Here's a quick link I found on the Great Flood.
  http://geology.about.com/library/weekly/aa080899.htm?iam=dpile&terms=%2Bbible+%2Bdebunk

  There's interesting stories for the parting of the Red Sea, the burning bush, manna and the pillar of fire.
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  Why are JWs scared of death?

  by NikL in

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  i have been thinking a lot lately about death.

  this is not surprising considering the turn of events on the 11th.. i have been re-awakened to the transient nature of human life and how it can go in the blink of an eye.

  as the bible says life is vanity and a striving for the wind.. with all of the talk about world war 3 and how dangerous this world has become, i have been on a bit of an emotional roller coaster this past week.. the fear of dying is a normal and basic emotion.

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  Teirce

  Millions now dying will never live.

  There is also the realization, by JWs of accomplishment or potential, that their potential will never be seen and appreciated by those to whome it would matter most, ie, worldly people who have a refined sense of taste, artistry, composition. There's plenty JWs who might buy in that the 'whole world is passing away', but many still harbor the dream of being something, here and now, visibly, if only in a diet-sense so as to remain in the org. The prospect of death is the harrowing prospect of leaving no legacy, no ideologic tombstone, no epitaph or famous quotation that can one day inspire someone who didn't know you directly.
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  Questions="dishonest baiting"?

  by Julie in

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  three little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.

  i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.

  here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.

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  Teirce

  What fucked me up was Lot offering his two beautiful daughters. How is a pubescent male JW supposed to take that? Hurtful.

  Rex says, "Furthermore, you are dishonest and heartless even in that respect, because you offer those leaving the WBTS nothing except a six foot hole at the end of a pointless life." - You sound misanthropic, Rex. Those who have nothing have everything to gain, that's how we developed mythology. Anyone who rationally stares mortality in the face is free to contrive their own, Personally Approved spiritualities that aren't designed to rape them of their true potential. THAT is what is offered to anyone who walks out of the JWs - not to be raped anymore. And offering this as a starter is bad?