Posts by scratchme1010

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Are you sad or angry?

by raven in

after exiting the org, i mean cult, how have each of you felt personally about the lies you had been taught, the hurt from feeling betrayed by these people, actual hopes of once believed false teachings, rose colored lenses of seemingly just and right doctrines that turned out to be a bunch of horse $#!+, the shunning of family and friends?

right now i am going through the motions, i've just moved to a new home, which means hopefully no more elders searching for me at my previous address.. i can't help but feel sad though right now because of the fact that although i am not df'd ( maybe the elders will do it in absentia assuming i've been avoiding them and the 2 jc's they've invited me to as well as the last handwritten letter at my door before i moved ) my mom treats me as though i am dead to her, she says " i am living the life of a disfellowshipped person, and until i come back to jehovah this is how things will be because this was my choice to leave jehovah " ok i get it, but i don't- everyone has free will, so yes this was my choice but it is also her choice to shun me, especially after the "shun unrepentant wrongdoers" talk at the rc, funny how they come out with these talks to reel members back in.. she claims that she has an obligation to jehovah of which she promised to him after she was baptized not at 11, 13, or 17 ( young ages ) but fricken 26 years old.

i absolutely hate this organization and everything that it is, it's taken away my family and most importantly my own mother.. i always thought that a mothers love was to be unconditional, but hers for me is only conditional.

scratchme1010

Since I was born in that organization and since my family members were not too supportive, and since I am gay, and since I have always love learning and studying, I was too busy enjoying my new found freedom from all the JW --it I grew up with, that it was over a decade later when I was able to have time and space in my life to reflect about the time wasted and the undeserved mistreatment I was submitted to.

However, yes, anger is a natural, normal thing to feel after realizing about their negative effects and how they want to influence your most important life decisions. It is just angering to have so many people following them, families divided, people dying.

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Real Estate turn over in Amqui, Québec

by StephaneLaliberte in

so, the jehovah`s witnesses sold a kingdom hall that used to be a little too big and started to build a new one a few streets away: .

http://www.lavantposte.ca/actualites/societe/2016/7/22/l-edifice-des-temoins-de-jehovah-prend-forme.html.

what i find absolutely ridiculous is that they could have taken the profit of the sale of the first hall to have a contractor build the second.

scratchme1010

Ridiculous.

Actually, smart... when you consider who/how they really are

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Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur? Redux

by shadow in

i am posting a second topic on this subject since the first one became overrun by snakes.. cofty posted a link to a published paper discussing this topic and referred to the information in it as "facts".

here is my summary of that paper along with comments on it.. one of the opening statements says that:.

two frequently debated aspects of hominin evolution are the development of upright bipedal stance and reduction in body hair.. so for those who believe this is a stupid topic, it is a subject of interest to many stupid people including the authors of the paper referred to by cofty.

scratchme1010

Using terms like "stupid" in your posts doesn't make what you want to say any (a) believable, (b) true, (c) compelling.

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Has anyone thought about if a General strike take place by undocumented immigrants.

by James Mixon in

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this would cripple the economy, don't know about other states in the union but it would.

be devastating for the border states.

here in california restaurants (no workers) closed, .

scratchme1010

For as long as Americans keep themselves in denial about their role in the illegal immigration situation, it's going to remain messed up. Illegal people don't come here to sell drugs. Crack head Americans want to consume drugs. Criminals don't come here to commit crimes. Criminal Americans run to other countries to evade the law. Get the hang of it?

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Should I talk to elders?

by Chook in

the whole world is rigged, whether its religious tribunals or local police enforcement, those who are paid by god or government are the enforcers .

should you talk to elders... well imagine that brooklyn had ordered these men to df anyone who says anything against the slave.

do you stand a chance , religious zealots are the most ruthless throughout history, look into it , it's scary to think we believed a magazine that we thought came from god .

scratchme1010

The whole world is rigged, whether its religious tribunals or local police enforcement, those who are paid by God or government are the enforcers . Should you talk to elders... Well imagine that Brooklyn had ordered these men to DF anyone who says anything against the slave. Do you stand a chance , religious zealots are the most ruthless throughout history, look into it , it's scary to think we believed a magazine that we thought came from God . The more my mind think the greater the nightmares

If you ask me, what I found harder was forgiving myself for allowing all that nonsense in my life.

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Evolution vs Creation.

by The Rebel in

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looking at the board, i see so many long threads on " evoultion vs creation " ect, ect.. therefore if " your" qualifications are only those of " an" uneducated j.w, may i ask one question?.

q) what makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?.

i ask the above question because for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words written in the pages of an awake" magazine.

scratchme1010

Looking at the board, I see so many long threads on " Evoultion vs Creation " ect, ect.
Therefore if " YOUR" qualifications are only those of " an" uneducated J.W, may I ask one question?
Q) What makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?
I ask the above question because for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words written in the pages of an awake" magazine. So whilst FACTS, and images are great,the vehicle that will remove cognitively baffled minds should eventually be from " threads" or "posters," who can proove their credibility.

This is a forum open to everyone who signs up for it and abides the forum rules. Considering what this is, that means that there are a few realities that should be considered:

Not everybody is in the same place emotionally, educationally, physically, or morally. People share based on what their perception of reality is. Expecting people to respond and post everything they say according one person's perception of how things should be is an exercise in futility.
If I believe one or another thing, I am sure I'll have my reasons, not all scientific, not all based on the bible, not all based on emotion. That's just how life is.
Some people are in different "stages" (for lack of a better word) of their process; some people are still questioning things, some people's believes have never been challenged before, and some people just hate to be proven wrong (that's pretty much every other American I know).
When I share something, I always have a reason why for everything I state. Some people don't and that's perfectly fine with me. If another person chooses to believe otherwise, who am I to attack them. The opposite is true too. I do listen and read, but if I disagree I just disagree and explain why. To me that's the end of it.

The argument of somebody acting as if they are some kind of absolute authority in any matter can be used in any direction, after all, it is expected that people post what they believe and are convinced is their reality.

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This religion has a chance of survival

by Socrateswannabe in

the jws could survive as an organization due to one vital human need: recognition.

for decades this religion glorified the older ones and really didn't do much for the younger folks, hence the younger people left in droves.

if you're middle-aged or older, what was the average age of the elders in your congregation or your circuit overseer, as you were growing up?

scratchme1010

...if young people are recognized and put in charge, they will become and remain engaged in this organization. And they will stay engaged long as they continue to be recognized and empowered. The GB may have solved a dilemma that has dogged them for decades--how to keep the young ones from straying or fading. They may very well have stuck their finger into the dike.

That's making the assumption that young people want/need the attention given by the JWs. Also, that's based on the premise that children, the younger, younger ones, are properly treated. The root of how rotten that organization is lies in the way they mistreat CHILDREN, not how they entice teenagers or young adults. Children mean nothing to that organization.

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JW hospitality

by Chook in

about 5 years ago when i was in, my son who at the time was 18 needed somewhere to sleep for a couple of nights due to work commitments ,in a city 2 hours from home.

my "best man" who is an elder that lives in this city , was asked could my son stay a couple of nights .

the response was he doesn't go to meetings anymore ,he can't stay here , i ask can he sleep on garage floor instead , still can't stay .

scratchme1010

These people only help their own . Not in my wildest imagination could I see Christ turning away people in need.

And on top of that they claim that they don't discriminate. Go figure.

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Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur?

by shadow in

evolution paints human ancestors covered with fur.

fur has several benefits as stated by britannica "the pelts of fur-bearing animals are called true furs when they consist of two elements: a dense undercoat, called ground hair, and longer hairs, extending beyond that layer, called guard hair.

the principal function of ground hair is to maintain the animal’s body temperature; that of guard hair is to protect the underlying fur and skin and to shed rain or snow.".

scratchme1010

Where's our fur?

That's private. I don't show that to people.

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Juan Gabriel died.

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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for the world, michael jackson's death was the death of an insanely well known person.. in latin america, juan gabriel was like our michael jackson, he was that well known.. generations of people all over latin america knew his songs.

you heard his songs when you broke up with someone and went to the bar, you heard his songs in karaoke, you heard his songs every saturday when your grandma played music loudly and she only had the one cassette and it was his.... i hadn't cried for the death of an artist before, but today i did.. there are sooo many memories, both good and bad, in mine and hundreds of millions of people, in which he was a part.. mexico and all of latin america is in pain right now.. may he rest in peace..

scratchme1010

Actually, I was about to post that he, UNLIKE MICHAEL JACKSON, created quite a few foundations, shelters and charities exclusively for children, one of them I actually visited in Ciudad Juarez. Furthermore, for some he just funded them and never even saw the children. He was never in any child abuse related scandal.

All that nonsense about him is the typical Latin homophobia, trying to equate gay people with pedophiles.