Posts by scratchme1010

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Nothing like politics or religion to bring out "the best" in us huh

by Sanchy in

i've never seen so many friends and even family members tearing each other up as i've seen happen during this election.

i've literally seen a ton of posts in fb today of ppl asking to be unfriended by any who voted for a particular candidate.

what america looks like today: .

scratchme1010

I'd so loooooooooove to throw a few punches to one or two of my idiot family members! I will definitely get something out of my system.

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

scratchme1010

Please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.

I'll try, I promise.

It appears that Trump has won a victory that no one expected. Is it possible that Trump may play a part in the Great Tribulation?

In the sense that what/who he is, yes. He himself is a tribulation. However, in the sense (or nonsense) that the JWs preach, absolutely not since there isn't such thing as the great tribulation. That is just JW nonsense. BTW, that is not an attack against the WT. It's just a fact. There isn't such thing as the great tribulation. That's a fallacy.

There are some who believe Trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the United States. Trump seems to be surprised by his victory. It is as if someone has pushed Trump forward.
What do you think?

I completely disagree. I'd rather say "There are MANY, MANY, MANY, did I say MANY? who believe that walking vulgarity is the most (not one of the most, the most) unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the United States.

What pushed him forward was the fact that the majority of Americans either don't care about consequences or don't know better. If for some reason you're thinking about Satan, rest assured, nope, there isn't such thing as Satan either.

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How to accept and move on from JW's?

by Alostpuppydog in

just like the title says, how does ones self start the transition out of the jw's belief system, since i will never be allowed to go to a kingdom hall and believe a lot of what they teach.. i guess more importantly how have you guys here moved on that have had some exposure to the jw's?.

any advice is more than welcomed and i thank those that have thus far replied to me!!

!.

scratchme1010

Just like the title says, how does ones self start the transition out of the JW's belief system, since I will never be allowed to go to a Kingdom Hall and believe a lot of what they teach.
I guess more importantly how have you guys here moved on that have had some exposure to the JW's?
Any advice is more than welcomed and I thank those that have thus far replied to me!!!

Something that I notice here is that when it comes to leaving, transitioning out and maintaining a relationship with loved ones, there are lots and lots of discussions and suggestions regarding doctrine and believes, but very few addressing important considerations other than just looking for what to believe.

They have to do with what/how you feel. What made you decide to leave? What is your story? Did you join or were you born in that organization?

I found more important to deal with my feelings around the departure from the JWs that learning or even caring about what religious or spiritual path I was going to take after leaving. I knew nothing else, but I knew that what I grew up in was not who I am, nor what i care for.

Then there were anger, resentments, fears, confusion, but also hope and a degree of excitement. Realizing what I felt helped me properly deal with what I was taught for all my life up to that point, and decide for myself what and how much of that was useful to my new life.

Without dealing with how I felt, I could have never develop self love, a sense of self, a sense of true spirituality and the necessary confidence to deal with the family members who rejected me after. My spiritual path and my current believes came from the inside out, in time, and not from some message from anyone, nor from a bible, nor from some organization trying to impose ridiculous rules on me. But I needed to deal with how I felt first.

I strongly suggest you to start dealing with your feelings around the entire process, all the feelings, including those that the JWs try to convince you that you should not have or are "wrong". You are a human being with capabilities to trust yourself, your instinct and your good judgement. That confidence, which the JWs attack under the vice of "independent way of thinking", is key to help you move on with confidence.

Furthermore, your JW family members will see and notice, and some will respect that sense of confidence in how you feel about things, regardless of not having a specific belief or doctrine to fall on.

I hope this helps.

I guess also, does anyone have any advice for building my relationship with my father who is an unbaptized publisher and is 'currently praying to Jehovah' and I am sure talking with the witnesses as to whether or not he is going to kick me out?

Be respectful, a good example of a good, rational, well balanced person. Be loving, caring and responsible as a daughter. That gives you credibility when/if there are inquiries or discussions about your standing with being/not being a JW. You can show that you are nothing like what the JWs claim that people become when they leave.

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the privilege of associating with fellow Christians in worship is not open to everyone?

by NikL in

was going through the book that is currently being studied at midweek meetings.. paragraph 18 of chapter 11 reads.... a second area of moral refinement involves themeasures taken to keep the congregation clean.

sad-ly, not all who accept jehovah’s standards of conductand dedicate themselves to god loyally stick withtheir decision.

some eventually have a change ofheart and willfully rebel against those standards.what is to be done about such ones?

scratchme1010

What a privilege! Being isolated from the rest of the normal world. How compelling.

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I want to be a JW but they seem to hate me? Help!

by Alostpuppydog in

just going to give a little background about myself and then bring anyone who is reading this up to speed with where i am today:.

growing up in a family that was not aware of jehovah's witnesses at all, as none of my family members have had a run-in with them other than my parents, my entire life has been a mess ever since we met them.

the witnesses first came to my door when i was 12 and my dad started bringing me to meetings and we even lived with a witness family for a month when we were both homeless due to my parent's divorce.

scratchme1010

I'm so sorry that you're going through such rough times. Glad to hear that you are in a hospital and receiving treatment.

Unfortunately, I cannot support you remaining a JW. As a person who has suffered depression myself, I know that the JWs create more depression . So no, I cannot support remaining a JW.

You yourself posted that you are isolated in your congregation. That may not change at all. The WT organization's cure for every mental health issue is service to them, and if that doesn't work, like with you and the elder pressuring you, all they want you is to confess to something.

They are not prepared nor interested in helping people with mental health problems.

I know that this may not be what you like hearing, but I know that they are causing harm to you by their actions, which you yourself already stated they are doing to you.

What I can strongly suggest is to remain in therapy, take your medications, go to counseling and please maintain an open mind about finding a more loving community that doesn't force you to talk about things you want to keep private and doesn't isolate you.

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Is there a biblical basis for separation or divorce?

by Conias in

jw
friends

is there a biblical basis for separation or divorce?.

in the event that one of the spouses is being psychologically mistreated in a very serious manner where his health is severely damaged and even his own life is in danger.

is there a biblical basis for jehovah's witnesses for separation or divorce?.

scratchme1010

No, but you can tell the Jehovah's Witnesses to go fawk themselves and divorce.

Seriously, if having that organization madating a person to put up with psychological mistreatment and his/her own life in danger, you have to consider who matters more, their stupid Jehovah or the battered spouse?

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Help with fading, please...

by longgone in

i just left about six months ago and i'm going through the emotional whirlwind that comes with it.

i would really appreciate some advice on how to keep this fade from turning into my being disfellowshipped.

i'm another born in, third generation.

scratchme1010

Well, I am considering that she wants to continue a relationship with her family. If that's the premise, running away is not going to help in any way shape or form.

Otherwise, I'd completely agree with the rest of the suggestions. But there's a statement of attempting at maintaining a relationship with current, active for generations JWs.

If that's not longer a priority, then yes, run and keep running.

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What Percentage Of The Governing Body Are Pedofiles?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

the reason i ask this is because we heard reports that greenlees was kicked out of bethel because he was one and then we heard reports that another one, jaracz i believe was one all though it sounds kind of iffy to me.. 2 out of i don't how many total gb seems kind of high so i'm thinking that perhaps the percentage is quite higher as this would explain to a degree why the gb have written in clauses to keep the organization from reporting them to authorities.. it is true that part of the reason they remain silent to authorities is because of the reproach it brings to their precious corporation but i think that is only a small part of the reason and perhaps there might be a bigger reason maybe quite a few have been over powered by their darker side and have engaged in this behavior but because of denial and delusion they will not confess and willingly encourage cover ups.. just speculation i know but i'm starting to think that there is a very dark side to all of these guys hidden by their persona(jungian) that is making them stoop so low as to implement these very bad policies..

scratchme1010

100%

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Relatives of those who have lost their lives putting faith of life or death in a religion that is neither Inspired nor Infallible.

by smiddy in

with the admission of the governing body that they are neither inspired nor infallible , i am curious to know how many of you people from all around the world know of somebody ,a relative or friend , who lost their life because of following the dictates of a religion that now says they are neither inspired nor infallible.,that they now admit they make mistakes.. how many people have needlesly died having followed the jehovahs witness religions policys regarding not getting your child vaccinated against diseases ,which was the case years ago, not having organ transplants as that was considered cannilbalismm years ago ,and since the mid 1940`s the ban on jehovahs witnesses having blood transfusions.. yet somehow today you can have fractions of blood donated by non jw`s who are designated as people to be destroyed at armageddon because they follow satans system of things,.

blood that is donated by these people ,stored in a laboratory , and processed into fractions by laboratory staff and given to jehovahs witnesses with their consent.with no consequences to them for doing so.. blood is not poured out on the ground and not used for any purpose as their bible the nwt dictates.or any other bible for that matter..

scratchme1010

I haven't lost any loved ones to their nonsense in the sense that they are all alive. My little sister was very sick when she was born and there was a battle over the blood thing in my family, but turned out that she didn't need it.

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Can a Person Resign From Being One of Jehovah’s Witnesses?

by UnshackleTheChains in

how many witnesses are aware that technically, according to watchtower policy, they can if they wish too...associate with dissociated and disfellowshipped relatives.

for all those who are dissociated or disfellowshipped, please share this with your relatives who are currently shunning you.

there is nothing the elders can do as long as they are not discussing spiritual matters.

scratchme1010

Like others have mentioned, it looks great on paper but the reality of how they treat people who choose to leave is completely different.

They have to provide means for people to leave to cover their backs legally. That's why they have that policy, no other reason.