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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

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"Your posts are big on fluff"

Some kids like fluff.😃

"if you want to be taken seriously"

"Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say. They bind up heavy loads and put them on the shoulders of men, but they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger. All the works they do, they do to be seen by men, for they broaden the scripture-containing cases that they wear as safeguards and lengthen the fringes of their garments. They like the most prominent place at evening meals and the front seats in the synagogues and the greetings in the marketplaces and to be called Rabbi by men. But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers. Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ. But the greatest one among you must be your minister. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfeLsPRl3so

"Jesus called the infants to him, saying: “Let the young children come to me, and do not try to stop them, for the Kingdom of God belongs to such ones. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the Kingdom of God like a young child will by no means enter into it.”"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E73D9TQIfUA

"Because a foolish thing of God is wiser than men, and a weak thing of God is stronger than men. For you see his calling of you, brothers, that there are not many wise in a fleshly way, not many powerful, not many of noble birth, but God chose the foolish things of the world to put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world to put the strong things to shame; and God chose the insignificant things of the world and the things looked down on, the things that are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, so that no one might boast in the sight of God. But it is due to him that you are in union with Christ Jesus, who has become to us wisdom from God, also righteousness and sanctification and release by ransom, so that it may be just as it is written: “The one who boasts, let him boast in Jehovah.”"

"heresy cannot stand in light"

"“Go and take your stand in the temple, and keep on speaking to the people all the sayings about this life."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKKqLl_ZEEY

Hey, @SeaBreeze, all those plagues in Revelation and the gospels about the lights going out are also talking about the religious leaders getting humbled.

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

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Acts 7:39-42

"Our forefathers refused to obey him, but they pushed him aside and in their hearts they turned back to Egypt, saying to Aaron: ‘Make gods for us to go ahead of us. For we do not know what has happened to this Moses, who led us out of the land of Egypt.’ So they made a calf in those days and brought a sacrifice to the idol and began to enjoy themselves in the works of their hands. So God turned away from them and handed them over to offer sacred service to the army of heaven, just as it is written in the book of the Prophets: ‘It was not to me that you made offerings and sacrifices for 40 years in the wilderness, was it, O house of Israel?"

The ancient Egyptian religion taught about a fiery hell and about three separate "essences".

Over the centuries, the Jews were influenced by the religious beliefs of all the cultures around them and among them - Ammonites, Moabites, Babylonian, Greek, etc.

The Jewish sects absorbed the crazy doctrines of the different peoples. When Jesus came, he helped people see that those doctrines were false.

"So you have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition. You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”

@SeaBreeze, when my kids were little, I would tell them the story of Goldilocks and the three bears. Sometimes when we were waiting in the car for a long time, they'd want me to tell it again and again. Sometimes I changed the story a bit and the three bears went out to get a pizza, or at the end they had a party, or something else. But all those times I told the story, my kids never, ever thought that the three bears and Goldilocks was a real story. They knew the difference between an illustration and reality, just like enoughisenough does.

@SeaBreeze, Jesus hates lies about God. He hated that the scribes and Pharisees were misleading the people and distancing them from God by means of all those horrid doctrines. It's the same today. Jesus said he is coming to dispose of all the false doctrines and remove those "fancy teachers" from their post. That's what he meant in those illustrations.

The parable about Lazarus and the rich man, the illustrations about the "fiery furnace" and "weeping and gnashing teeth", the plagues of Revelation, they are all figurative to show that very soon when Jesus is enthroned in heaven he will be changing things down here as regards true worship. The GB/FDS, the clergy of Christendom, the false doctrines about hellfire and disfellowshipping...all that stuff will be removed during the great tribulation. When the religious institutions are attacked, the "high ones" in those religious institutions will be humbled and their false doctrines will be destroyed.

"His disciples came to him and said: “Explain to us the illustration of the weeds in the field.” In response he said: “The sower of the fine seed is the Son of man; the field is the world. As for the fine seed, these are the sons of the Kingdom, but the weeds are the sons of the wicked one, and the enemy who sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels. Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be. At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen."

The "fiery furnace" is figurative. The GB/FDS/clergyofChristendom will weep and gnash their teeth during the great tribulation because they'll have lost all their income and prestige. That will be their figurative "hellfire". They will never be able to exalt it over the people again - they will be eternally prevented from lording it over others with lies.

"“Be glad over her, O heaven, also you holy ones and apostles and prophets, because God has pronounced his judgment on her in your behalf!” And a strong angel lifted up a stone like a great millstone and hurled it into the sea, saying: “Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again."

The "unending destruction" of religious institutions and their associated false teachings is just like Vanderhoven7 said: "descriptive of a destruction which is unending in the sense that it is eternally irreversible."

“Praise Jah! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God, because his judgments are true and righteous. For he has executed judgment on the great prostitute who corrupted the earth with her sexual immorality, and he has avenged the blood of his slaves that is on her hands.” And right away for the second time they said: “Praise Jah! And the smoke from her goes on ascending forever and ever.”

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

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"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God..." (John 1:1)

"...he is called by the name The Word of God." (Revelation 19:13)

"It is unwise to take a philosophical book from the OT written strictly from a carnal or physical stand point and apply it as a corrector of Jesus words."

It is unwise to call the message that the Word of God had a part in conveying to mankind "a philosophical book" "carnal" and "physical".

"The wise one has his eyes in his head; but the stupid one is walking in darkness." (Ecclesiastes 2:14)

Jesus is the wisdom of God. He knows the truth of Ecclesiastes is just as valid today, including chapter 10.

"In whatever way the fool walks, he is lacking good sense, and he lets everyone know that he is a fool." (Ecclesiastes 10:3)

Ecclesiastes 10:12-14 is really good too.

"The words from the mouth of the wise one bring favor, but the lips of the stupid one are his ruin. The first words out of his mouth are foolishness, and his last words are disastrous madness. But the fool keeps on speaking."

"the dead know nothing at all - Eccl. 9: 5"

The spiritually dead know nothing at all about love. That's why they teach about hellfire doctrine and disfellowshipping doctrine, things that God hates.

"This people approach me with their mouth

And they honor me with their lips,

But their heart is far removed from me;

And their fear of me is based on commands of men that they have been taught."

@SeaBreeze, if Jesus can wake the dead, he can wake you up too. "Love hopes all things."

You would never keep someone alive to be tortured forever. That's hateful and sick. You wouldn't picture Jesus hurting someone like that. Why would you accuse God of such a terrible thing? Only a hater would want his brother stay alive to suffer and burn in hell forever. Jesus is not a hater of mankind. He came to save mankind. God is not a hater of mankind. He loves His kids.

"If anyone says, “I love God,” and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For the one who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And we have this commandment from him, that whoever loves God must also love his brother."

Disfellowshipping doctrine and hellfire doctrine are from the Chief Hater of God. That Chief Hater of God is the wicked one who also hates God's children. "That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie." The Devil sowed those seeds of leaven in the early Christian congregation, but it's time for them to be removed from our hearts.

"God is Love."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Fb6XozEx8

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Revelation stuff per request for PetrW

by EasyPrompt in

per request from petrw🙂, some revelation stuff.... .

the four horsemen didn't start in 1914 or earlier- the timing is once jesus is enthroned in heaven.. .

the winds of destruction are on the religious institutions.. .

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🥰Praise Jehovah and the Lamb!

Revelation 15:3,4

"Great and wonderful are your works, Jehovah God, the Almighty.

Righteous and true are your ways, King of eternity.

Who will not really fear you, Jehovah, and glorify your name, for you alone are loyal?

For all the nations will come and worship before you, because your righteous decrees have been revealed.”

🥰💖🫶🎶💞

All things made new, no more divisions, the whole universal family getting to hang out, it's going to be wonderful!💝

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nGKqH26xlg

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Nobody ever said JUH hovah or Jee sus until the 16th Century

by Terry in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na22kkydprshttps://www.dictionary.com/e/j/".

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"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no
longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it
back.
Carl Sagan"

😂Carl Sagan said something he has experience with...he oughta know about what it means to "bamboozle" and "capture" and have "charlatan power" over people, haha! He and his sci-fi cronies have more followers and groupies for their "evolution" myths (with absolutely no witnesses to anything they make up for their "once upon a time" bedtime stories) than the GB/FDS does for 1914!🤣

(There's a lot of money up for grabs if you're into publishing in the field of "$cience"🤑)

(Maggots and eagles have no teeth but they eat meat.

Hippos have big teeth but they eat grass.

Evidence of teeth evolving? Nope. Carl Sagan wasn't there for any of it. He just made stuff up because new $ci-fi stories = money/fame.)

"How did J get its sound?"

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around, does it make a sound?"

"What is the sound of one hand clapping?"

🤣

Ooo, it sounds like some kind of Taoist riddle or something!

If a person doesn't believe in God anyway, then why would they care how somebody pronounces His name?

If a person does believe in God, then don't they think He's smart enough to know when a person means "the God whose name is Jehovah or Yahweh" or whatever?

The Pharisees knew how to pronounce a lot of things, but Jesus still didn't think they were very smart.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was necessary to do, yet not to disregard the other things. Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel!"

Faith is more important than pronunciation, just like truth is more important than false stories.

1 Timothy 1:4-7

"...nor to pay attention to false stories and to genealogies. Such things end up in nothing useful but merely give rise to speculations rather than providing anything from God in connection with faith. Really, the objective of this instruction is love out of a clean heart and out of a good conscience and out of faith without hypocrisy. By deviating from these things, some have been turned aside to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of law, but they do not understand either the things they are saying or the things they insist on so strongly."

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Deleting Elders Watchtower Style

by Vanderhoven7 in

the only spirit-directed organization on earth never ceases to amaze me.. https://www.youtube.com/live/0u2ohrbdm-c?feature=share.

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"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you travel over sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one, you make him a subject for Ge·henʹna twice as much so as yourselves!"

It's so sad - so many times I have seen formerly good-hearted men in the borg "groomed" to be "elders". It ruins them. Whatever conscience they had to begin with is poisoned and callused until they are willing to do whatever the borg demands with no regard for Jesus or Jehovah or the Bible. It's so awful.

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

EasyPrompt

If Jesus is into keeping people alive in a horrible place and torturing them in fire and he says to imitate him, then what does it say about you that you think that's okay? It says something about what is in your heart.

Jesus does not approve of torture. It was his adversary the Devil that used torture.

People have been lying about God and Jesus for thousands of years. Since the garden of Eden, the Devil has been saying "when you're dead, you're not really dead." The hellfire teaching is just another version of that lie.

If you want to believe lies about God or about Jesus, @SeaBreeze, that is your business. But it's not nice to slander Jesus by saying that he approves of something that he actually hates.

"If the light that is in you is really darkness, how great that darkness is!"

Jesus said to clothe yourself with love. You would do well to put on some clothes, @SeaBreeze, because you are naked.

Revelation 3:17-19

"Because you say, “I am rich and have acquired riches and do not need anything at all,” but you do not know that you are miserable and pitiful and poor and blind and naked, I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may become dressed and that the shame of your nakedness may not be exposed, and eyesalve to rub in your eyes so that you may see. All those for whom I have affection, I reprove and discipline. So be zealous and repent."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G84oyI9UgSk&t=16s

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WT and Higher ED

by enoughisenough in

watched this video and was wondering if any of you recall seeing this video besides on this presenter's youtube platform.

anyway, watch it !

it is disgusting but enlightening.

EasyPrompt

"When Jesus called out the Pharisees and they defended themselves by saying they could see the point and weren't blind, he said: "If you were blind, you would have no sin. But now you say, ‘We see.’ Your sin remains."
The GB is the same. They know and can see things could be done differently, but refuse to act on that."

Amen!

That's why Jesus is going to allow the org to be removed, because they refuse to change.

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Half of disfellowshipped one suicidal?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

jw
friends

this ex brother says about half of disfellowshipped ones are suicidal at about 43 minutes into this video https://youtube.com/watch?v=otcdksnf4zo&feature=sharec.

it really is that brutal having your family and friends shun you that many unfortunately do actually take their own lives including steve letts nephew.. no wonder the drastic change in the elders book to not have any more judicial committees if suspected it would make them suicidal.. this is probably one of the largest changes in recent history that most rank and file don’t know about yet.. how it will work in practice i just don’t know.

what if someone keeps sinning but says it’s weakness not wickedness and they are suicidal?

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Yes, "a cat and mouse game" is a good way to put it. The borg already showed they don't care about disfellowshipping victims of CSA or about disfellowshipping honest-hearted ones who tell the truth about false doctrines. They don't care about the sheep. It doesn't matter if the sheep is "suicidal" or "not suicidal". It's not about the sheep. It's about maintaining control of the flock.

These guys are not shepherds. They are fakers. If they do make changes in their book, it's only for show.

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JW elders TAUGHT to treat Higher Education as WRONG!

by BoogerMan in

in this jw training video, an elder gets deleted because his daughter has "stumbled" other jw's by pursuing higher education.

🤣.

@ 13.35 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u2ohrbdm-c.

EasyPrompt

They are emotional bullies training elders to be bullies. "Do as we say or you're out." Totally unreasonable and ridiculous. Not like Christ at all. What a sham.