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Article: Spain: Jehovah’s Witnesses Win Important Case Against “El Mundo”

by Tahoe in

link to article .

a spanish court ordered the newspaper to publish the reply of the jehovah’s witnesses to a defamatory 2022 article.

the court found the newspaper has been fed false information by an association of disgruntled former witnesses and has uncritically published it.. .

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Massimo, you're very talented. Why do you allow the bad guys to use your for their own advancement? The payment you get from the WTBT$ and other religious hypocrites is nothing compared to the riches in love and happiness God holds out for you. You would do better becoming a friend of Jehovah instead of working for His enemies.

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Index of Evidence for Evolution Threads

by cofty in

re-posting this for reference.. #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

#2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

#3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

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@SlidinFast, I didn't "hijack" the thread. Cofty told me to come here after we were talking on the other thread, so I complied with his wishes...

And Cofty, after I answered your question about the teacher thing, you weren't satisfied with the way I answered it and you still didn't proceed with your point until just now. I didn't run away.

Here's the thing: if two JWs come to your door and try to explain their 1914 belief and you say "no, I know it's not true" but they say "here, read this magazine it explains it" and you say "no, I know that magazine doesn't tell the truth" and they say "here, watch this video then" and you say "no, I know that video doesn't tell the truth" and they say "here, read this book" and you say "no, I know that book doesn't have the truth" ...how long will it take for the two JWs to get the point?

All the magazines, the videos, and the books that the JWs want to offer you are from the same publishers, from the WTBT$. Once you are out of the WTBT$ and your eyes are opened to the lies the WTBT$ tells, you can see through the false teachings and it doesn't matter what the JW wants to offer you from the WTBT$ publishers about 1914 - you recognize that anything about that teaching is false.

It's the same with what you're doing. You want me to read another magazine article by evolutionary biologists? I already know the "publishers". I'm not interested. I already know that teaching is false. You can offer me the video, the book, the online article, whatever, I already know it's false.

I didn't run away. There is just no point in talking to JWs who don't want to see that their 1914 is make believe, and it's the same with evolutionary theorists. They already think they know everything, and they will make up stories all day long to support their views.

Your illustration doesn't prove anything, Cofty. It's just a story, like the overlapping generations. That's all evolutionary theory is. Another version of overcrapping generations with "science" vocabulary instead of "theocratic" vocabulary.

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Index of Evidence for Evolution Threads

by cofty in

re-posting this for reference.. #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

#2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

#3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

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You're welcome, @TonusOH.🙂🌷

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Index of Evidence for Evolution Threads

by cofty in

re-posting this for reference.. #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

#2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

#3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

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Both UMass Boston and USF anthropology departments have classes on biological evolution.

(Did you get a chance to watch that video clip? The young woman does a good job explaining what is typically covered in biological anthropology classes. Here are some topics: Human paleontology, evolutionary biology, genetics, comparative anatomy, primates, molecular anthropology.)

The very first week I learned that no two biological evolutionary theorists agree on the theory. I did some of my coursework there at UMass Boston and some at USF. (I don't know if you saw that part of my transcript was posted on the other thread.) I'm sure that isn't what they intended me to learn - that would undermine their way of making money. The lab work at USF was where we measured "hominid" fossil replicas. There was no rhyme or reason to how they are organized - it was whimsical. (Similar to how Linneas organized critters one way, but they could just as easily be organized another way, that's why scientists don't all agree on the organization. It's just like a closet, you can organize your clothes by color or by season or all long sleeves together or whatever, but it doesn't prove the clothes evolved.) One of my professors had worked with members of the Leakey family before, and I heard how cutthroat some of them acted. There is a lot of competition in parts of the anthropology field. In order to create interest in old bones, you have to have something new to say. In order to get paid, you have to publish or get the attention of whoever is paying your grant money. When we went to the government officials in Tallahassee for grant requests, I saw firsthand why the professor takes young college women along for the request. The government officials enjoy having alcohol and schmoozing at the after hours get togethers. The field is full of corruption just like any other field. Truth is not of the utmost importance in the science field. If you send out to get a carbon-14 test and you don't like the result, you don't include it in your report. I saw how these papers are written, and I know what a lot of the people who write the papers are like. I also worked at Archaeological Consultants Inc. and Panamerican Consultants Inc. during my last year and learned that when preparing reports for archaeological survey or geological survey, a high percentage of the report is just cut and pasted from former "professionals" without question, as if it's rock solid truth, even though none of them were there. Those former "professionals" opinions are all conjecture and some of them don't make any sense, but their opinions are cut and pasted and quoted again and again and again as if it's the solid truth for the primary reason that they are bossy and tenured - it's the same as in the JWBorg. Those at Bethel couldn't go against what CT Russell said until later, and then it had to be gradual. Who in the writing department could go against what Fred Franz said as long as he was around? The truth doesn't get published just because it's true. When there is money involved or power, only certain things will be published and perpetuated.

Anyway, I am not a debater and I don't want to spend time going through every little false teaching. I already know it's fake. I don't want to play games about riddles with teachers. I am telling you the truth.

I don't think I have anything more to say on this thread. I'm bored of getting ridiculed and doubted. I shared what I can, but you can choose what you want to believe. I have love for you, but I'm going to go do some other stuff now.💖

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Six minute video of WTBT$ begging for money, now on JWBorg website

by EasyPrompt in

six minute video of wtbt$ begging for money, now on jwborg website.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/accomplishministry/pub-mwbv_202311_1_video.

"thank you for 'setting something aside'" robert butler.

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Robert Butler is on the Publishing Committee, the money committee.

"Publishing Committee

This committee supervises the printing and shipping of Bible literature worldwide. It has oversight of printeries and properties owned and operated by the various corporations used by Jehovah’s Witnesses. Funding for branches is approved and arranged for under the direction of the Publishing Committee. It has oversight of issues involving accounting, allowances, budgeting, global health-care arrangements for special full-time servants, humanitarian aid requests, insurance, purchasing, taxes, and other financial matters for branch facilities throughout the world, such as the purchase or sale of real estate, equipment, and vehicles. All Branch Requests (AB-3), Nonliterature Branch Requests (AB-3a), and other budget approvals are processed and approved under the direction of this committee. It oversees arrangements for the construction, renovation, and maintenance of all the organization’s facilities, including branches, remote translation offices,missionary homes, schools, Kingdom Halls, and Assembly Halls.

Expenditures of up to USD 2,000,000 will be approved by the Publishing Committee. The Governing Body, however, is responsible for approving major real estate transactions and significant construction projects involving the expenditure of more than USD 2,000,000. In most cases, Branch Committees will present the details of such projects to the Publishing Committee, and thereafter, the matter will be presented to the Governing Body." (from https://avoidjw.org/faq/governing-body-committee-members/ )

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Norway JWBorg news - WTBT$ demands subsidy despite their loss of religious status

by EasyPrompt in

https://cne.news/article/3755-norwegian-jehovah-s-witnesses-demand-subsidy-despite-their-loss-of-religious-status.

jesus never demanded "subsidies" from the government to share truth.

wtbt$ leaders love the god of their bellies/selfishdesires - having others provide communes for them in opposition to christ's direction.. .

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https://www.sa.no/jehovas-vitner-krever-35-millioner-i-statstilskudd/s/5-46-1524562

(from article...)

"Jehovah's Witnesses demand 35 million in state subsidies"

"Last year, Jehovah's Witnesses were deprived of state subsidies for 2021 and their registration as a religious community. They demand NOK 35 million in support for the last two years."

"It was last year that it became known that Jehovah's Witnesses lost both state subsidies for 2021 and registration as a religious community. However, Jehovah's Witnesses disagree with the decision.

- We are convinced that Jehovah's Witnesses meet all the legal requirements to receive state subsidies, and that is the reason why we have applied for state subsidies also for 2022 and 2023, writes Fabian Fond, spokesperson for Jehovah's Witnesses' information department in Scandinavia, in an email to Our Country.

In total, they believe they are entitled to around NOK 35 million for 2022 and 2023, Fond informs.

Their reasoning is that Jehovah's Witnesses were registered as a religious community at the time they applied for support. According to the Religious Communities Act, only registered religious communities can request state subsidies.

The religious community has also chosen to take legal action against the state. The trial will take place in Oslo District Court in January next year." (translated by Google)

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Index of Evidence for Evolution Threads

by cofty in

re-posting this for reference.. #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

#2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

#3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

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😆Now, MeanMrMustard, you're taking what I said out of context...the BITE model shows that cultastic people do have certain tendencies. The photos of Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin were examples to show the extreme tendencies of some evolutionary theorist believers. I put the photo there because I had an idea that someone might express doubts that evolutionary theorists can be culty, but the evidence shows the truth.

I didn't say you were a bad guy, just like I don't think individual JWs are bad just because they belong to a cult. I love JWs as individuals, and I love evolutionary theorists as individuals. My point was that evolutionary theory leads to dangerous places, just like the unscriptural doctrines of the FD$ and disfellowshipping do. Out of love, I will continue to expose those dangers to others when it is the appropriate time.

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New Zealand - JWs head to court on Abuse in Care Inquiry - RNZ news story

by EasyPrompt in

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jehovahs-witnesses-head-to-court-on-abuse-in-care-inquiry-victims-feel-a-kick-in-the-guts/hwjsnshi5vfv7ghjztr63goseu/.

"by bill hickman of rnz.

the new zealand branch of the jehovah’s witnesses is going to court in an attempt to have the church made exempt from the abuse in care inquiry today.. in the high court at wellington, lawyers for the church are seeking a declaration that the church is not responsible for the care of children or vulnerable people in new zealand.. abuse survivor advocate and former church elder shayne mechen said the church was trying to use a technicality to side-step its inclusion in the inquiry.. .

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Video from Rachel Exjw: "JW Judicial Review Hearing in NZ October 9 - 11 2023 - My Thoughts After Attending"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF_6dlhUs1Y

"Oct 14, 2023

The Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse in Care was established in 2019 to determine "the nature and extent" of abuse of "children and vulnerable adults" in "the care of state and faith based institutions" in New Zealand in the years 1950 to 1999.

The Jehovahs Witnesses sought Judicial Review in March 2023, shortly before the Royal Commission was due to present its draft final report to government. The hearing in the High Court in Wellington took place from October 9 - 11, 2023. The Judge was Rebecca Ellis.

The JWs challenged both the Royal Commission and the government , saying what they've done is unlawful and invalid. The Judge will decide.

Please ask any questions in the comments, and I'll do my best to answer or find out the answer." (from caption under video)

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Article: Spain: Jehovah’s Witnesses Win Important Case Against “El Mundo”

by Tahoe in

link to article .

a spanish court ordered the newspaper to publish the reply of the jehovah’s witnesses to a defamatory 2022 article.

the court found the newspaper has been fed false information by an association of disgruntled former witnesses and has uncritically published it.. .

EasyPrompt

FROM HENRY IV, PART II, ACT 2, SCENE 1

"Take heed of him: he stabbed me in mine own house, and that most beastly. He cares not what mischief he doth, if his weapon be out. He will foin like any devil. He will spare neither man, woman, nor child."

"Where has he lied? I'm very interested."

Yes, I know you are.

How does Massimo Introvigne prevaricate? Let me count the ways...(his article will be in quotes and my comments in parentheses...)

"A Spanish court ordered the newspaper to publish the reply of the Jehovah’s Witnesses to a defamatory 2022 article. The court found the newspaper has been fed false information by an association of disgruntled former Witnesses and has uncritically published it."

(In what way was the initial newspaper article "defamatory"? It's the WTBT$ organization that defames ex-JWs by having publicly announced at meetings as "so-and-so is no longer one of Jehovah's witnesses" when in all actuality only Jehovah God himself can make that call.)

"The Spanish Jehovah’s Witnesses won an important case against the Spanish newspaper “El Mundo,” which on November 21, 2022, published a slanderous article based on information supplied by the anti-cult organization Association of Victims of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. On October 2, the Court of First Instance no. 1 of Torrejón de Ardoz dismissed the newspaper argument that responsibility lied only with the Association of Victims of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It ordered “El Mundo” to publish the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ reply and to pay the litigation costs."

(The Spanish Jehovah's Witnesses didn't "win" an important case. They continue to hurt people that they've already hurt, and they disobey Jesus' teachings to not take your brothers to court over such things. That is not a "win" for the Spanish Jehovah's Witnesses - it is a loss.)

"In the decision, which is subject to appeal, the court did not limit itself to recognize the right of reply of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. It also discussed the merit, finding the allegations of the Association of Victims of Jehovah’s Witnesses both likely to cause damage to the religious organization and inaccurate."

(The religious organization of "Jehovah's Witnesses" has done damage to many victims. It's not AVJW that is causing damage - it's the JWorganization that is damaging the victims. Massimo writes in a way that hurts those who have already been hurt by the JWorganization because he paints doubt on the victims and makes the perpetrator look like the one getting harassed. It's twisted.)

"The court found it self-evident that the article “generated verifiable damages” to the Jehovah’s Witnesses. To start with, “the title of the article itself included the word ‘cult’ [‘secta’ in Spanish] that has unquestionable negative connotations with respect to any religion.” The stories coming from the Association of Victims of Jehovah’s Witnesses are, the judges said, “objectively harmful to the fame and credibility [of the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization], such as referring that it is a religious association (which they call a ‘cult’) with ‘cultic’ practices, stating that it causes ‘social death’ to those who leave it, that it ‘compels’ its members not to report crimes, that it alienates its members, and that it ‘encourages physical and moral suicide,’”and so on. Thus, “from any point of view, the article mentions allegations by third parties that cause undeniable damage to the religious association.”"

(They are a cult. Even according to the definition in the WTBT$ literature they fit the definition of a cult. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5188410847789056/cult-high-control-group?page=2#/6283719799734272 )

"Then, the judges examined “whether the allegations in the article are inaccurate,” and concluded that most are. The decision noted that “the first thing that is striking is the title of the article itself, where the plaintiff entity is catalogued as a ‘cult,’ then throughout the extensive text the terms ‘cultic practices’ are used.” According to the decision, “the information in this case is based on a fact that is clearly inaccurate, since the Jehovah’s Christian Witnesses are a religious denomination registered in the General Section (Minority Religions), inscription number 000068 of the Register of Religious Entities kept at the Ministry of Justice, so we are dealing with a legitimately recognized denomination in our country like many others."

(It doesn't matter what the registration says. It matters what happens in the organization.)

"Therefore, to classify the plaintiff entity as a cult is legally erroneous since, in the context of the analyzed article, it implies attributing to the plaintiff some pernicious or harmful features as opposed to the rest of the religious confessions legally established in Spain.”

(The organization is pernicious and harmful. Breaking up families is pernicious and harmful. Misusing scriptures to hide CSA and other forms of abuse is pernicious and harmful.)

"Second, the article refers to “testimonies of alleged victims of sexual abuse within the religious denomination …, alluding to a certain situation in Australia where allegedly ‘they hid more than a thousand cases of sexual abuse.’”

(Massimo writes as if he doesn't believe the victims.)

"The article also mentions a “former Jehovah’s Witness who reports that he was allegedly abused ‘among the Witnesses,’ concluding that ‘they kill you in life,’ and “another former witness who explains the context of some alleged rapes and that ‘they constantly threatened him that if he spoke, they would form a judicial committee…’”

(The elders do threaten people all the time. Massimo doesn't know what he's talking about. Just because the judge felt he didn't have enough information doesn't mean the person wasn't telling the truth.)

"The court concluded that, when carefully examined, “these facts are not accurate and further affect the public consideration of the plaintiff since, on the one hand, there is no certain record of any conviction of the religious entity as a whole for the aforementioned unspecific cases of sexual abuse in Australia, so it is an inaccurate fact that the alleged events were concealed in that oceanic country."

(How does Massimo know? Was he there? Just because the entire religious entity as a whole has not been convicted yet doesn't mean they're not guilty of the crime. It just means they've not been prosecuted for it yet. Just because a criminal has avoided arrest doesn't mean he didn't do it.)

"On the other hand, with respect to the specific accounts of alleged sexual abuse, it is not so much that the fact is true or not (in fact, no evidence of any convictions arising from such allegations, if any, has been provided), but that at all times the plural and collective number is used when referring to the alleged sexual abuse, to attribute to the religious denomination as a whole the responsibility for ‘sexual abuses perpetrated within the group’ rather than to the persons who in each case had caused the alleged abuses or sexual aggressions.”

(The religious leaders are guilty. The men taking the lead at headquarters claim to represent Jesus himself. They claim to be "the Faithful and Discreet Slave". They order the other men around. They make rules that everybody in the organization has to follow. If someone doesn't obey the rules, they get disciplined or even shunned. When children or other vulnerable ones are taught to trust those "taking the lead" because of the directions from headquarters, and then those ones "taking the lead" abuse them, there is definitely guilt involved on the part of the men who made the directions that led to that abuse. Those kids wouldn't have been in that compromising circumstance if the men at headquarters didn't have the rules the way they do, and if they didn't teach that the elders were "in Jesus' hand" and things like that.)

"Overall, the part of the article concerning sexual abuse should be “classified as inaccurate.”

Third, the practice by the Jehovah’s Witnesses of the so-called ostracism or shunning, i.e., counseling members not to associate with ex-members who have been disfellowshipped or have publicly left the organization, is qualified in the article as sentencing these former members to “social death” and “a silent hell.”

(Why should the part of the article concerning sexual abuse be considered inaccurate? Sexual abuse happens in the organization. Shunning is hell. It is social death. Massimo doesn't know what he is talking about. He is a liar. He is asserting things backwards. He is defending the bad guys and hurting the victims.)

"The court found the description of the practices by the Association of Victims of Jehovah’s Witnesses as based on “facts that are not clearly proved, since it is one thing to assert the right or freedom to choose to relate with a certain person inside or outside a certain religious confession, and another that, as indicated in the article, ‘when they are inside the cult they are explicitly or implicitly forced to relate only with other faithful’”—which is “inaccurate.”

(Massimo is wrong. It's not inaccurate. It happens all the time in the JWorganization. What does he think Bethel is all about?)

"Worse, the court reports, “the article expressly states that ‘there are double standards, because many elders are either adulterers or pedophiles,’” and that the Jehovah’s Witnesses “encourage physical and moral suicide.” These allegations, the court found, “once again lack a demonstrable objective basis,” and are “inaccurate and extremely damaging to the prestige of the plaintiff entity.”

(There are double standards in the congregation. There are elders who are adulterers or pedophiles who stay in the good-graces of the headquarters guys and there are victims of abuse who are disfellowshipped for telling on it.)

"In summary, the Association of Victims of Jehovah’s Witnesses was caught red-handed spreading false information, and “El Mundo” was caught red-handed uncritically reporting it. “It is not a question here of refuting or censuring opinions—explains the court—, but to legally sanction the erroneous or directly false facts that support such opinions.”

(Massimo is spreading false information. Just because the court didn't decide a certain way doesn't change what happened to those victims.)

"The court also confirms that a media “is responsible for the content of what is disseminated”, including allegations made by third parties. “To admit otherwise— the court argues—would be as much as to legitimize any type of publication based on unquestionably false or untrue facts, just because it is a third party who maintains this erroneous view of the facts.”

(Massimo is the one doing the very thing he said the court was warning about - Massimo is continuing to spread a false report about the victims and to try to make the image of the perpetrator look like the good guy.)

"It is not the first time that media fall into the trap of publishing slander fed to them by anti-cult organizations, “experts” on “cults” (in this case, the “expert” interviewed was Carlos Bardavío, i.e., the lawyer representing the Association of Victims of Jehovah’s Witnesses in another case), and “apostate” ex-members."

(Massimo is supposedly an expert on cults. He is the one publishing slander fed to him by the WTBT$. The WTBT$ slanders the victims all the time. The WTBT$ leaders are the ones apostatizing from what the Bible teaches. Their disfellowshipping doctrine is just one of the many ways they disobey the Christ.)

"It is also not the first time that a media outlet—even one that is a member of The Trust Project—refuses to publish a religious community’s reply to an insulting article. The decision should teach these media a lesson. However, it is unlikely this will happen. Some journalists are like the crow in Aesop’s fable, which kept being deceived by the fox and swearing that it had happened for the last time, only to be duped again at the next opportunity."

(Massimo insults the victims. Jehovah will teach Massimo a lesson. Massimo keeps getting duped by the WTBT$ headquarters guys, but those WTBT$ guys will be removed and their religious institution dissolved - all the religious institutions will be - so Massimo will have to get a different job instead of defending abusive religious hypocrites.)

"And what proof is there that they Watchtower Society finances his work?"

Why don't you tell me?

(We've talked about it before, and you already know it anyway.)

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Six minute video of WTBT$ begging for money, now on JWBorg website

by EasyPrompt in

six minute video of wtbt$ begging for money, now on jwborg website.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/accomplishministry/pub-mwbv_202311_1_video.

"thank you for 'setting something aside'" robert butler.

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Six minute video of WTBT$ begging for money, now on JWBorg website

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/AccomplishMinistry/pub-mwbv_202311_1_VIDEO

"Thank You for 'Setting Something Aside'" Robert Butler

Some quotes from the video (and comments):

"...The GB has asked me to convey their deep appreciation for the gifts you give of your time, energy and resources..."

(Yeah, because that way they don't have to get a job...)

"You may wonder, 'How do we make sure that we have the financial means needed to care for all of this activity?"

(The "activity" didn't mention the money involved for CSA scandals or the house for Anthony Morris...)

"Each year, branch offices of Jehovah's Witnesses calculate the expense of the projects needed and prepare a budget to ensure funds will be available."

(For anyone who wants to read a transcript of Mark Sanderson and John Ekrann talking about how they feel about money at an auditing meeting, the link is here: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6047055877767168/transcript-mark-sanderson-john-ekrann-auditing-audio )

"Your kind donations play a significant role in this budgeting process..."

(Then come the misapplication of scriptures to guilt the congregation members into financially supporting the antichrist commune arrangement...followed by prompting them to sign up for monthly online donations and write in their last will and testament to leave everything to the WTBT$.)

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